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    The game's new conscience

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    I am surprised no one has posted this yet. What do you think about the suggestions?

    1. Bowling actions should be monitored in matches, not just in science labs.

    Agreed, if they can come up with a consistent rule and an accurate way to judge the bend of the arm in a game situation.

    2. There are too many international matches, especially one-dayers.

    DING DING DING! Too many for me = more than zero.


    3. There should be a standard format for international tours - a Twenty20 "competition" (a rare moment of vagueness), three one-dayers and a Test series of three to five matches.


    I'm in love....
    I'd actually prefer four to five Tests with no one dayers or Twenty20 (to be replaced by more FC games before and in between the Tests), but than I am in the minority.

    4. The World Cup should last no longer than a month, with fewer teams and "fewer one-sided matches".


    The World Cupt should last no longer. But close enough.

    5. Boundaries should go out again, to within two metres of the perimeter fence.

    I guess I'm one of the farts that Lisle talks about, but I hate the fact that a six today would have been an easy catch in past generations. It is diminishing the things that bowlers (especially spinners) can do on the field, and it is rewarding bad shots too often. Is mis-hit, even slightly, should never go for a six, except when off the absolute fastest of bowlers (and even than on rare occassions).

    6. Groundsmen should stop using glue to hold pitches together.

    Meh..agreed with Lisle that it should be used, but only in cases of extreme enviornmental problems.
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    1. God idea, but the problem is the endless super slo mos of the TV cameras that they didn't have in the old days plus the fact that not all umpires agree (remember Murali played international cricket for three years before he got called) was Hair right, or were all the ones who hadn't caled him?

    2. Correct - especially nonsense like the Afro-Asia Cup and all the "offshore" matches.

    3. Agreed - but I'd say a maximum of five ODIs (definately NOT seven). Like what de Lisle said about the current England v WI series though.

    4. Agreed.

    5. Disagree - KP scored a 200 with no sixes on a small ground against a crap attack (his sixes came after he got his 200) which suggests the currency hasn't been devalued yet.

    6. Disagree - They started doing it in England to improve one day pitches which is a good thing (in FC cricket probably wouldn't do it - let them wear natrually)

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    Quote Originally Posted by silentstriker View Post
    http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/colu...ry/296237.html
    I am surprised no one has posted this yet.
    Cricinfo only posted it yesterday
    1. Bowling actions should be monitored in matches, not just in science labs.
    If they can find technology to wirelessly hone into players arms and the angles, all the better, but that is probably a few decades away. Back to the point, it would be a great addition because you can tell how e.g. Harbhajan Singh's doosra is a chuck and how his off break is pretty fine, but its not like Harbhajan is going to try a doosra in the sceince lab. Especially in taped matches, I think both umpires should take note of suspect deliveries for later analysis.
    2. There are too many international matches, especially one-dayers.
    3. There should be a standard format for international tours - a Twenty20 "competition" (a rare moment of vagueness), three one-dayers and a Test series of three to five matches.
    Good ideas
    4. The World Cup should last no longer than a month, with fewer teams and "fewer one-sided matches".
    Definately, I am not a fan of having teams like Ireland or even Bangladesh in who have no chance whatsoever of winning. It demeans the whole competitions.
    5. Boundaries should go out again, to within two metres of the perimeter fence.
    Yes, the six should become more of a feat, now it is a joke created from any toe hit or edge.
    6. Groundsmen should stop using glue to hold pitches together.
    Definately. What is wrong with the odd crack in a pitch, especially if it tips the game in favour of the bowlers again.
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    1. Bowling actions should be monitored in matches, not just in science labs.

    Agreed, Anyone can change there action unoticeably in a lab than in a match.

    2. There are too many international matches, especially one-dayers.

    No, cricket is (and should be) Internationally dominated.


    3. There should be a standard format for international tours - a Twenty20 "competition" (a rare moment of vagueness), three one-dayers and a Test series of three to five matches.


    I'm not sure

    4. The World Cup should last no longer than a month, with fewer teams and "fewer one-sided matches".


    The little teams should be given some experience against top teams. So I dissagree.

    5. Boundaries should go out again, to within two metres of the perimeter fence.

    Meh, I'm not sure

    6. Groundsmen should stop using glue to hold pitches together.

    Agreed
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    I am with CDM on this

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    I'd seriously consider standardising bats within narrower ranges. Bowlers don't get to choose their weapon, seems unfair to allow batsmen to benefit from the newer bats that seem spring loaded, to put it loosely.

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    One thing that oh-so-rarely gets mentioned is that people should do something towards making better cricket balls!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You can't turn the clock back, bats are being made better and rightly so - why should something that's available not be used?

    So why on Earth are we not trying to make cricket-balls that swing more, and are more resistent to wear? It was done in football years and years ago, long before Roberto Carlos' free-kick. It'd be a much fairer way to do things than to deliberately put some sort of limit on batsmen.

    I'm also in favour, very much, of using the longest boundaries possible (while, obviously, taking account of safety matters).

    I hate the idea of three ODIs a tour, though. Absolutely hate it. I'd quite happily lance Twenty20 Internationals outside a WC competition (and actually believe that such a thing would make the sheen wear off less easily, as one of the biggest appeals of the format is that not many people really know what they're doing) though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    One thing that oh-so-rarely gets mentioned is that people should do something towards making better cricket balls!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You can't turn the clock back, bats are being made better and rightly so - why should something that's available not be used?

    So why on Earth are we not trying to make cricket-balls that swing more, and are more resistent to wear? It was done in football years and years ago, long before Roberto Carlos' free-kick. It'd be a much fairer way to do things than to deliberately put some sort of limit on batsmen.
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    Perhaps because the spinners wouldn't like it.

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    It wouldn't harm spinners - wristspinners (who are exceptionally rare in any case) would still be good bowlers regardless, and fingerspinners would still be good bowlers on turning pitches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simmy View Post
    I am with CDM on this
    Thank you.

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    You shouldn't make cricket balls to work better for one particular style of bowler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    It wouldn't harm spinners - wristspinners (who are exceptionally rare in any case) would still be good bowlers regardless, and fingerspinners would still be good bowlers on turning pitches.
    But it is a disadvantage to the spinners nevertheless. There is a reason why spinners use the old ball better than the new one, and prolonging the life of the new ball would only delay and reduce the spinners' impact on the game. Also, you could simply turn the quoted logic around and say that keeping the balls as they are now, pace bowlers would still be good on quick and bouncy or seaming pitches.

    The only permissible changes to the ball really, that can be considered, are those that favour both the quicks and spinners equally, not one at the expense of the other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ♪♪♪ View Post
    But it is a disadvantage to the spinners nevertheless. There is a reason why spinners use the old ball better than the new one, and prolonging the life of the new ball would only delay and reduce the spinners' impact on the game.
    Don't see so. Spinners will bowl well on turning pitches. Therefore, however effective the seamers are, spinners will still do well when conditions suit.

    When they don't, though, it's better to have some more in it for the seamers than there presently is.
    Also, you could simply turn the quoted logic around and say that keeping the balls as they are now, pace bowlers would still be good on quick and bouncy or seaming pitches.
    IMO cricket balls are currently in a poor state, and help seamers less than they used to, especially in England. I want to see swing as well as seam, not just the latter. In any case, the two go together - generally a swinging ball will also be easiest to get to seam when the pitch allows.
    The only permissible changes to the ball really, that can be considered, are those that favour both the quicks and spinners equally, not one at the expense of the other.
    There's no changes to the ball that can make things better for spinners, though - that's all to do with pitches.

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    Say we use balls designd for swingers and it works fantastically it will give the spinners a dissadvantage To get into the side.

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    Cricket balls should give advantages to all styles of bowling (If it is possible.)

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