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    Jacques Kallis - Most Underrated Allrounder

    Kallis is the only Cricketer to score 8000+ runs and take 200+ wickets in both Tests and ODIs, yet when it comes to allrounders, he doesn't get any mention now a days.

    His Stats -

    Batting - 55.78 (TEST), 43.61(ODI)
    Bowling - 31.71(TEST), 31.89(ODI)

    Not to forget, very soon he will be reaching 100 catches milestone in both Tests and ODIs and he is only 30.

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    Oddly enough, his stats are similar Gary Sobers (>55 batting, <35 bowling).
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    Very much agreed, Id like too see flintoffs record conpared to that
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    Agreed 100%. Always said he was the most underrated player of our generation, and personally one of my favourite cricketers of all time.
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    Is he underrated? Super player.

    He should be bowled more he's good at it.
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    If he bowled more, and still kept those averages....he'd be 2nd all time behind Sobers. But he doesn't...

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    Is that because he doesn't want to bowl dya think, the fact that he doesn't stick his hand up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pedro Delgado
    Is he underrated? Super player.

    He should be bowled more he's good at it.
    As an allrounder, he is. Afridi, Razzaq, Pathan, Bravo, Oram etc are considered allrounders now a days and Kallis is simply considered as a world class batsman despite being a better bowler than each one of them at the moment (except Freddie ofcourse).

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    With an average of only 3.7 overs per test, Kallis doesn't bowl enough for me

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    Yeah I could never get my brain around this one either. I wouldnt necessarily put JK in my all time world 11 but he is certainly iMHO the 2nd best all rounder for the last 20 years (along with the GREAT Imran). The only problem i have with him is his reluctance to bowl these days which i think is more a reflection of him wanting to concentrate more on his batting, which i fair enough. He will certainly be a great in my mind even if he were to retire right now.
    Cause Slifer said so.........!!!!

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    I think we overlook Kallis because

    A)We see him as a reluctant bowler

    B)He is a world class batsman in his own right

    C)He doesn't seem to have the most endearing personality, often accused of beeing selfish and reluctant to bowl, he doesn't have the charisma That Imran did or Freddy does and he doesn't seem to capture the imagination of cricket fans like the truly great all rounders do.

    When you think of Freddy(or me at least) I think of his magnificent hitting and his over at Edgbaston where he dismissed Langer and Ponting, and i see a great person who'll allways be just another Lancashire lad.

    EDIT: He must suffer in the bowling department from being such a good batsman, he has to bat 4 in test matches and with his low strike rate and high average, he spends a long long time at the crease. Fred commented in his autobiography that he asked Fletcher could he bat higher in an ODI match so Fletch said he could go 4, but after bowling first, he had to decline because he needed the extra time to rest and prepare himself. He said he has tremendous respect for Kallis because he thinks it's hard being an all rounder.
    When i think of Kallis(rightly or wrongly) what i see is his dour demeanour, his conservative but impressive batting and...well...not much on the bowling front.
    Last edited by open365; 19-09-2006 at 12:12 PM.

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    Great player; can't stand him myself tho.

    I can never quite shake off the impression that he'd sell his grandmother to slave traders for a nice not out & most of his bowling of late has been against the average-enhancing end of the international spectrum too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyBrumby
    I can never quite shake off the impression that he'd sell his grandmother to slave traders for a nice not out
    Are you implying that you wouldn't?

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    Quote Originally Posted by silentstriker
    Are you implying that you wouldn't?
    They'd be of limited use, TBF...

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