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    Bob Woolmer > Duncan Fletcher.

    Any questions?

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    No questions from me, welcome abroad mate though...
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    I don't agree




    ...No. Wait. Shaun Udal....I agree 100%

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    they've both quite sizeable paunches really


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    Don't agree. Fletcher's selection record - ratio of duds to successes - is far better, certainly in the last three years or so. He also had a bigger turnaround to execute than Woolmer - England were a bit of a mess when he took over.

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    Shoaib Akhtar is better than all England bowlers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob24
    Shoaib Akhtar is better than all England bowlers.
    At his best, yes - marginally. Harmison and Flintoff are both more consistent, though.

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    TBH i wouldn't say Harmison is much more consistent then Akhtar, slightly but both are fairly incosistent at times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barney Rubble
    Don't agree. Fletcher's selection record - ratio of duds to successes - is far better, certainly in the last three years or so. He also had a bigger turnaround to execute than Woolmer - England were a bit of a mess when he took over.
    Give Woolmer three years and he might do the same thing but then again Pakistan don't have as many preseved duds as a lot of their FC stats are inflated. And the ones that don't have great Youth records.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barney Rubble
    Don't agree. Fletcher's selection record - ratio of duds to successes - is far better, certainly in the last three years or so. He also had a bigger turnaround to execute than Woolmer - England were a bit of a mess when he took over.
    Just discussing this with young James90. He's had his fair share of duds, too. See Adams, Hamilton, Schofield, Afzaal, Dawson, McGrath, Rikki, Batty, Sidebottom, Ward, and now Udal, the ultimate joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steds
    Just discussing this with young James90. He's had his fair share of duds, too. See Adams, Hamilton, Schofield, Afzaal, Dawson, McGrath, Rikki, Batty, Sidebottom, Ward, and now Udal, the ultimate joke.
    Fair point - but he's always realised his mistake and dropped them after a couple of games. And don't be criticising Chris Adams, I know a guy who knows him.

    Actually, Afzaal's starting to come good a bit in the CC. Might not be such a dud after all.

    And he does have a record of pulling players from nowhere to become stars - Tresco, Simon Jones, etc etc.

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    Thought you'd gone to bed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by steds
    Just discussing this with young James90. He's had his fair share of duds, too. See Adams, Hamilton, Schofield, Afzaal, Dawson, McGrath, Rikki, Batty, Sidebottom, Ward, and now Udal, the ultimate joke.
    TBF any 2nd spinner England pick is likely to be a dud, just like any all rounder Sri Lanka pick is doing to be dud. If you got nothing to choice from them really its not his fault.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barney Rubble
    Don't agree. Fletcher's selection record - ratio of duds to successes - is far better, certainly in the last three years or so. He also had a bigger turnaround to execute than Woolmer - England were a bit of a mess when he took over.
    Aftab Habib
    Chris Reid
    Ed Giddens
    Darren Maddy
    Chris Adams
    Gavin Hamilton
    Chris Schofield
    Ryan Sidebottom
    Ian Ward
    Uzman Afzaal
    Jimmy Ormond
    Richard Dawson
    James Foster
    Anthony Mcgrath
    Richard Johnson
    James Kirtley
    Ed Smith
    Kabir Ali
    Gareth Batty
    Ricki Clarke
    Martin Saggers
    Shaun Udal
    Jim Troughton
    Alex Tudor
    Grayson
    paul Franks
    Graem Swann
    Ronnie Irani
    Alan Mullaly
    Ben Hollioke
    Ashley Giles
    Graeham Hick
    Mark Ramprakash

    And in case you didn't know...Pakistan were in a slight pickle too when Woolmer took over.

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    Well the last 5 on that list really smack of desparation.

    Mullally was a superb ODI bowler for a spell.
    Hollioake tragically died before we could assess him properly.
    Giles is, regardless of what people say, England's best spin bowler.
    Hick and Ramprakash were hardly his picks in the first place.

    As for the rest of that list how many played more than a handful of International games?
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