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Latif wants action taken against Bell.
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Lillian Thomson
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Correct. But some people are making him out to be unique when "cheating" is happening all the time. After the famous Kasper dismissal in the Ashes Test Harmison was asked about the fact that replays showed his hand off the bat at the point of contact and he said he wasn't interested in that because the umpire gave him out. That of course wasn't cheating but it shows the attitude of the players towards getting wickets.C_C said:
chaminda_00
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No Bell is a cheat, you don't go up for catches that you drop...
Lillian Thomson
Hall of Fame Member
Bell is no more of a cheat than a batsman who knows he's out and doesn't walk. So are we going to start calling for bans on batsman who stand their ground when they know they're out? Even if the umpire gives them out they are still attempting to cheat by not walking.
Lillian Thomson
Hall of Fame Member
The rules of the game say that a batsman is out if the ball is caught. If he knows he's out and stays in, he's cheating.Isolator said:
Bell wasn't cheating either if you want to take that angle as there is no rule preventing a bowler from appealling so he wasn't breaking any rules either.
Shahid_Afridi_6
Banned
Bell should be banned.
He knew he hadn't caught it, as shown by his body language to the umpire.
Hopefully he doesn't go unpunished and Afridi take all the flack. Both commited attempts to cheat.
Bell's sneaky little face annoys me.
He knew he hadn't caught it, as shown by his body language to the umpire.
Hopefully he doesn't go unpunished and Afridi take all the flack. Both commited attempts to cheat.
Bell's sneaky little face annoys me.
Lillian Thomson
Hall of Fame Member
There is no reason at all why Bell should be banned. You see dismissals all the time where the bowlers and fielders know the batsman hasn't hit the ball. All the extra fuss is because he might have known he didn't catch it. What's the difference between knowing the batsman hasn't hit it, and the ball not carrying? He appealled and the umpire gave it out, end of story. Supposing the umpire had said not out, Bells crime of claiming the catch would be the same but no one would be calling for a ban
Shahid_Afridi_6
Banned
Official thread.
open365
International Vice-Captain
I can't believe the amount of people on here that think Bell's a cheater!
yes,i don't think he caught it but only on the super slow mos and Bell didn't look to convinced either but i think he wanted the decision to go up-stairs.
Bell was un-sure,and just imagine if he never appealed then saw the replays and it was clearly out.
yes,i don't think he caught it but only on the super slow mos and Bell didn't look to convinced either but i think he wanted the decision to go up-stairs.
Bell was un-sure,and just imagine if he never appealed then saw the replays and it was clearly out.
Neil Pickup
Cricket Web Moderator
Grow up.Shahid_Afridi_6 said:
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
I honestly dont see the big fuss.
The players are out there to take wickets and score runs, thr umpires are out there to make the decisions.
Claiming catches you know have hit the ground (and Im still not 100% convinced that Bell's catch did hit the ground...) is no more cheating than appealing for lbw when you know its going down the leg side, or appealing for a bat pad decision when you know it came straight off the pad.
There seems to be a lot of fuss over claiming catches that have hit the ground, and Im not sure why. People appeal in other situations when they know it isnt out, so I dont see why this should be any different.
The players are out there to take wickets and score runs, thr umpires are out there to make the decisions.
Claiming catches you know have hit the ground (and Im still not 100% convinced that Bell's catch did hit the ground...) is no more cheating than appealing for lbw when you know its going down the leg side, or appealing for a bat pad decision when you know it came straight off the pad.
There seems to be a lot of fuss over claiming catches that have hit the ground, and Im not sure why. People appeal in other situations when they know it isnt out, so I dont see why this should be any different.
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Well, I didn't see the incident at all so can't comment on it specifically but I can re-call a few of occasions when I've taken a catch which was total reflex and millimetres off the turf and had no real idea whether I'd grounded it or not, so quickly did the whole thing go down. If you're at full-stretch diving for a catch, for example, you can't help it but your eyes do close and you're just hoping to catch the ball in many ways. Or maybe it's just me..........
Lillian Thomson
Hall of Fame Member
I'm not quite sure what that is supposed to mean. My point is that the Bell incident which was a member of the fielding side claiming a wicket he knew wasn't out happens all the time and the bowler in every case is not concerned with anything other than removing the batsman.shounak said:
Players have decided with their conduct, batsman not walking and bowlers appealling when they know it's not out, to leave it up to the umpire. In doing so they have to accept that many mistakes will be made.
Well considering the number of dubious decisions he has got in his short career thus far, and the fact that he is clearly continuing a "Gilchrist policy" (ie. he is a walker) I don't think he could be accused of that. In fact, unlike almost every other batsman in world cricket today who make a point of showing disappointment at bad decisions if only so that the TV cameras know to check them, Bell has shown almost no reaction to umpires decisions at any point. The fact that some of the decisions that went against him in the Ashes were somewhat dubious was only found out subsequently thanks to the "Analyst" that Channel 4 had.Lillian Thomson said:
vic_orthdox
Global Moderator
Not doubting that he copped some bad ones, but I can't remember them. Could you remind me?greg said:
I watched it and believe me all that it was a case of picking up the ball from fround. Lets not over-complicate when they dont need to be. He caught the ball on his way down, opened his palms, the ball was "on the ground", picked it up and appealed. I cannot imagine that he would have not known that the ball touched the ground.