The Freddie Flintoff 'Eat Your Words' Thread

[marc71178]

It happened, but was pretty meaningless.

It would be like England without Flintoff and Harmison.

The only difference would be that India would thrash you though if that were the case.

It's meaningless because Australia were exposed as having no strength in depth?

 

[cpr]

It happened, but was pretty meaningless.

It would be like England without Flintoff and Harmison.

yeah?? YOU try getting Harmison to play anywhere past Dover..........

 

[steds]

yeah?? YOU try getting Harmison to play anywhere past Dover..........

Is Sabina Park past Dover?

 

[Top_Cat]

Well I had pretty good vibes for him bowling well this series and I'm happy to see such high-standard stuff from him with the ball but I honestly expected Warnie to wreck him and after the second dig at Lords, it appeared he was right on track. But he batted well for England in the first dig and the second-innings knock was just incredible. I don't know whether he'll get a ton this series but this has been Freddie's match.

 

[biased indian]

Which therefore suggests Australia are a one man team...

i thought u already knew that

if any doubt look for a thread involving the following words "india australia and india had a better performance" and u will find that u yourself had posted like that

its bad to have a bad memory

 

[biased indian]

It happened, but was pretty meaningless.

It would be like England without Flintoff and Harmison.

The only difference would be that India would thrash you though if that were the case.

which we will do 98 of 100 times even if they have all the players if the series is in india

 

[biased indian]

Flintoff did bowl superbly. his first over was wonderful were he got two wickets

but on his batting i would he just got lucky today there was no Macgrath he didnt attack warne and
the others just was noy upto it.i would say if he continues with his perofrmance in the remaining three test i will change my words

 

[Zinzan]

zinzan..where are you...

zinzan the other day:

''It seems kind of ironic that after all the hype about the mighty "Flintoff" in the lead up to the ashes and the incredible talking down of Brett lee and his ability at test level that it is Lee that comes out of this First test with a good amount of credit as opposed to Flintoff whose performance was below par.

Admittedly its only the first test, but apart from out foxing Gilchrist, Flintoffs bowling in the conditions was disappointing. He went for around 5 an over in the 2nd innings. Not to mention his total of 3 runs in 2 innings with the bat.


I know its only early days in the series, but I can't imagine Flintoff's confidence is sky high, whereas I think Lee will only get more confidence.

Haven't heard much from the likes of Marc and TEC on Flintoff and Lee's performance so far, I'm interested to read their reactions

Whoops....almost forgot to mention the dolly Flintoff put down at slip and Lee's great caught and bowled.

Oh the irony !!! ''
This is the kind of thing I was talking about!!!!

Unlike the Lee critics....I'm happy to put my hand up a say Flintoff was superb. Now its a test of whether he's consistent or not. He's now had one average test and one excellent one. Lets see if he can stand up for the rest of the series

Having said that if England lost this match with the last minute Mcgrath injury and the crazy ponting decision to bowl first, it would have been really sad.

 

[Shane Warne]

Flintoff did bowl superbly. his first over was wonderful were he got two wickets

I still want to see where his front foot was on those.

 

[Jono]

Flintoff was superb, no doubt. As I've said countless times in the Ashes and NWS threads, Flintoff = King

It's great seeing someone so talented meet his potential, let's hope he continues that because its great for cricket. We need more talented all rounders

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

Flintoff had a superb test, no doubt. Not that I've ever doubted him, of course.

 

[Craig]

I'm now a converted Flintoff fan - which you couldn't say about me even 1 or 2 years ago.

 

[Craig]

that makes bradman the best all rounder ever.
kallis cant bowl, and the sooner people realise that hes rubbish the better.

How is it possible he suddenly cannot bowl - it is the sort of thing a 13 year old would say.

I mean he is doing alright to take 183 Test wickets and 'can't bowl'. Is he rubbish now? Yes he is, was he for more then half of his career - certainly not.

Since he has placed more emphasis on his batting, his bowling has dropped away - simple.

 

[social]

How is it possible he suddenly cannot bowl - it is the sort of thing a 13 year old would say.

I mean he is doing alright to take 183 Test wickets and 'can't bowl'. Is he rubbish now? Yes he is, was he for more then half of his career - certainly not.

Since he has placed more emphasis on his batting, his bowling has dropped away - simple.

Kallis has a chronic knee problem and rarely, if ever, is able to bowl at full capacity nowadays.

Added to the fact that all emphasis is rightly on his batting and he is not as effective as he once was.

 

[SJS]

It might be more appropriate to have PLAIN
The 'Eat Your Words' Thread

For all of us who have shoved our feet invariably and oh-so-painfully in our mouths. Why just about Flintoff ?

 

[King_Ponting]

most people havent predicted a whitewash... More a 3-1 result, which is going directly to plan. One must remeber tho that this test is being played at Edgbaston, a traditional weak point for the aussies, i think that issue has flown over a few peoples heads.

 

[Retox]

And if you add up their combined worth, it amounts to almost half of Mcgrath's.

Well in your world when McGrath retire (and then Shane Warne) Australia will be rubbish?

 

[King_Ponting]

yep actually that is what he thinks. To quote him from another thread "England will win their next home ashes series 5-0"

 

[luckyeddie]

Flintoff did bowl superbly. his first over was wonderful were he got two wickets

but on his batting i would he just got lucky today there was no Macgrath he didnt attack warne and
the others just was noy upto it.i would say if he continues with his perofrmance in the remaining three test i will change my words

I daresay the really top world bowlers (Pathan, Khan, Nehra and AA) would show Flintoff up for the journeyman plodder he is, seeing as in your previous post you suggest that India would win 98 out of 100

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[luckyeddie]

most people havent predicted a whitewash... More a 3-1 result, which is going directly to plan. One must remeber tho that this test is being played at Edgbaston, a traditional weak point for the aussies, i think that issue has flown over a few peoples heads.

Let's lay this ghost for once and for all, shall we?

Going through all the test grounds in England in turn, the following are the summaries from the English perspective:

W-L-D
0-1-0 Bramall Lane, Sheffield
4-3-4 Edgbaston, Brummy Git Town
7-8-8 Headingley, Dirty Leeds
5-14-14 Lord's, Down t'Smoke
7-7-13 Old Trafford, Tampa Bay
0-0-0 Riverside, Oop North
15-6-12 Oval, Down t'Smoke
3-7-9 Trent Bridge, Snottingham

So England can consider the Oval to be a 'lucky' ground (15-6), but this is countered by Lord's (5-14) and Trent Bridge (3-7). Edgbaston, Headingley and Old Trafford are even Stevens.