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    In memory of William Gilbert Grace

    It was on this day (July 18th) in 1848 that the immortal WG was born. I recently read an old magazine cutting written in 1965 to mark the 50th Anniversary of his death that described him as the "Father of Modern Cricket". Whether that title still rests easily on his shoulders another 40 years down the line is open to debate, but there's no doubt that his name will live on for as long as this great game of ours is played.

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    Hear hear. A true legend.

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    Yep. Cricket needed characeters like him to get popular.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vic_orthdox View Post
    In the end, I think it's so utterly, incomprehensibly boring. There is so much context behind each innings of cricket that dissecting statistics into these small samples is just worthless. No-one has ever been faced with the same situation in which they come out to bat as someone else. Ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barney Rubble
    Hear hear. A true legend.
    There are some 'highly knowledgeable gentlemen' here who quote 'impeccable" and unimpeachable (but long deceased) sources to claim that he was also the Grandfather of Matchfixing


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    Quote Originally Posted by SJS
    There are some 'highly knowledgeable gentlemen' here who quote 'impeccable" and unimpeachable (but long deceased) sources to claim that he was also the Grandfather of Matchfixing
    Never heard anything of the sort myself - but then if anyone was going to hear about it, it wouldn't be me. I would like to think that sportsmanship was placed so highly in those days that a player of his stature would not even acknowledge the existence of match-fixing, let alone indulge in it.

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    I always find these stats mind boggling.

    http://www.cricketarchive.co.uk/Arch...g_by_Runs.html
    http://www.cricketarchive.co.uk/Arch...g_by_Runs.html
    http://www.cricketarchive.co.uk/Arch...g_by_Runs.html

    No one else, not even Bradman, has been that more than twice as good as all his peers. A cricketer is inevitably a product of his times, and obviously if we were able to send a time machine back to fetch W.G. and put him into a Test match today, he would undoutedly struggle. But a cricketer of Grace's calibre born into modern times would probably still become the greatest cricketer in the world, if given the opportunities. The demands of the game, the skills required, and the equipment, have not changed very much.
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    Same fella who remarked how windy the day was when he got bowled and stood his ground, putting the bails back on?

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    Wherever the idea of some mythical (?) age of sportsmanship in cricket came from, I don't think it had anything to do with Grace

    The supposed playing of cricket in a gentlemanly and sportsmanlike manner probably has a large bearing of the English reputation for hypocrisy. I think it's certainly a major bugbear with other cricketing nations (mainly the Indians but, I think, to a lesser extent the Aussies) when an Englishman decides to lecture on the subject!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barney Rubble
    Never heard anything of the sort myself - but then if anyone was going to hear about it, it wouldn't be me. I would like to think that sportsmanship was placed so highly in those days that a player of his stature would not even acknowledge the existence of match-fixing, let alone indulge in it.
    I hadnt too till today. And I thought I knew everything

    But clearly there are those who know-it-all

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    Yup.. that's him all right
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    Quote Originally Posted by vic_orthdox
    Same fella who remarked how windy the day was when he got bowled and stood his ground, putting the bails back on?
    That one has always intrigued me. How on earth did he get away with it?

    It reeks more than a little bit of the "some are more equal than others" attitude that the world has so much trouble getting rid of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steulen
    That one has always intrigued me. How on earth did he get away with it?

    It reeks more than a little bit of the "some are more equal than others" attitude that the world has so much trouble getting rid of.
    He didn't. The umpire replied, "Yes it is windy. So you'd better hold onto your hat as you walk back to the pavilion" or words to that effect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steulen
    That one has always intrigued me. How on earth did he get away with it?
    Because more than often it was a very small profile game.
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    Nonetheless- a quality cricketer of his time, and always the first master of the game for me.

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