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Langer a great cricketer
- Thread starter Scallywag
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C_C
International Captain
what you 'average' against a bowler is an irrelevant statistic in this argument.
What the 'average' shows is the average of the scores from the dismissals for the said bowler.
Ie,say you score 120,4,4,340,144,220* against a full strength Australia involving all the bowlers. But McGrath dismisses you in the 2nd and 3rd game only.
Then your 'average' against McGrath is: (4+4)/2 = 4.00
(since its the scores you were dismissed at by McGrath/# of dismissals by McGrath for example).
This 'average against bowler' is made irrelevant in case of who's someone's bunny and who isnt.
And Vaughan is a classic example.
He has played one series vs AUS and in the 4 matches that Pidge played in, Vaughan scores:
33,0,177,41,34,9,11,145.
McGrath scalped him for 33,0,34 and 11, while getting clobbered for 2 tons along the way.....thats not a bunny....
being a Career bunny against someone is Atherton vs McGrath,Atherton vs Ambrose, Mark Waugh vs Ambrose, Cullinan vs Warne,Hick vs Ambrose etc etc.
Career bunny means you've dominated them once-in-a-blue-moon and got hammered by them far more often than you dominated them.
You sometimes see series bunny like Laxman being Warne's bunny last series( He hammered warne in 2001), Lara in 2001 vs McGrath, etc etc.
you play because you are good enough to get into the playing XI. not because if you have a bunny or not. The WI of the 80s had a few bowlers who could make a bunny outta 90% of the world batsmen but didnt play because there were four better bowlers than them.
tooextracool
International Coach
can you remind me what vaughan averages against australia again?Scallywag said:
tooextracool
International Coach
sherlock, the only game that vaughan has captained against australia hes won.....Scallywag said:
tooextracool
International Coach
my question was "what vaughan averages against australia", which incidentally didnt ask you anything about the future. after talking about how stupid vaughan's captaincy is and how brilliant a captain ponting is before the icc championship, you've been made to look like a fool, the fact is that the score reads vaughan 1 ponting 0.Scallywag said:
tooextracool
International Coach
it was 63 the last time checkedC_C said:
tooextracool
International Coach
incidentally he was the best batsman on both sides in his only series against australia in terms of averages......C_C said:
C_C
International Captain
You should realise that the record of the team is dependent on 11 members and not one person.Scallywag said:
Stick Bradman into the Zimboks team and do you really think that him scoring his tons and doubles would save a zimbok defeat ? I suppose Allan Border is an inferior batsman to Larry Gomes since Gomes's WI thumped Border's AUS on a regular basis ?
Perhaps one should think of engaging thy brain before thy fingers ?
Vaughan has played 6 test matches against Australia for 5 losses and 1 win and played 5 ODI's for 4 losses and 1 win, You have made up an argument and now you are arguing with yourself, but the fact remains that Vaughan has played 6 tests against Australia for 5 losses and 1 win and played 5 ODI's for 4 losses and 1 win. You are the only one comparing Border to Gnomes and you are the only one who is arguing the point. Now if you want to compare Vaughan to Ponting then there is no comparision because Vaughan is not good enough to be compared to Ponting.C_C said:You should realise that the record of the team is dependent on 11 members and not one person.
Stick Bradman into the Zimboks team and do you really think that him scoring his tons and doubles would save a zimbok defeat ? I suppose Allan Border is an inferior batsman to Larry Gomes since Gomes's WI thumped Border's AUS on a regular basis ?
Perhaps one should think of engaging thy brain before thy fingers ?
C_C
International Captain
again, i would say engage brain before fingers.
We are talking about how GOOD a batsman Vaughan is and someone compared as to how good a BATSMAN Vaughan is to Langer.
YOU are the one who brought in the Aussie-English record when Vaughan is in the team.
I merely reminded you that team record is irrelevant when you are comparing two BATSMAN/BOWLERS/ALLROUNDERS....as the result depends on the TEAM and not the individual.
I didnt compare Border and Gomes, i only said that if team record is used to judge how good a batsman is, then Gomes should be rated higher than Border, as his team thumped Border's numerous times......
frankly, a ridiculous line of argument.
Like i said before, engage brain before fingers!!
We are talking about how GOOD a batsman Vaughan is and someone compared as to how good a BATSMAN Vaughan is to Langer.
YOU are the one who brought in the Aussie-English record when Vaughan is in the team.
I merely reminded you that team record is irrelevant when you are comparing two BATSMAN/BOWLERS/ALLROUNDERS....as the result depends on the TEAM and not the individual.
I didnt compare Border and Gomes, i only said that if team record is used to judge how good a batsman is, then Gomes should be rated higher than Border, as his team thumped Border's numerous times......
frankly, a ridiculous line of argument.
Like i said before, engage brain before fingers!!