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    Shane Warne.

    How can Shane Warne be called the best bowler in the world. He has played More games then 6 of the top ten and around 25 (not sure) More then Muttiah Muralitharan I would have thought in theory that if I got 100 wickets in 50 games I would be better then say someone who got 101 wickets in 60 games. Discuss.
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    Statistics only tell part of the story. Warney is a true legend, and you won't find too many people who will disagree with the fact that he has had a tremendous impact on the game.

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    He is a great player No doubting that but not the best bowler ever (as the papers say)

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    And who are you to decide?


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    I am saying you all have to agree with me we all have our own views on the matter. I am just expressing my views.

    Shane Warne is a awesome bowler I agree but He has played more games then most of the top ten bowlers of all time for only 10 more wickets or so. For 25 more games in Theory doesn't that make the other guy the better wicket taker?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Retox
    I am saying you all have to agree with me we all have our own views on the matter. I am just expressing my views.

    Shane Warne is a awesome bowler I agree but He has played more games then most of the top ten bowlers of all time for only 10 more wickets or so. For 25 more games in Theory doesn't that make the other guy the better wicket taker?
    For strike rates maybe. But stats don't tell you who he dismissed, or how he beguiled the batsman, do they? There are many factors that come into play, not just the games played to wickets taken ratio.

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    I understand but I am going on how they say Shane Warne is the best for taking so many wickets when he has had many more games then most.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Casson
    For strike rates maybe. But stats don't tell you who he dismissed, or how he beguiled the batsman, do they? There are many factors that come into play, not just the games played to wickets taken ratio.
    Or how many matches he has won for Australia...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Retox
    How can Shane Warne be called the best bowler in the world.
    Who is calling him the best bowler in the world?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sudeep
    Or how many matches he has won for Australia...
    To be fair Warne gets far more opportunities to win matches for Australia than he would if he played for another country because his teammates are so good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by a massive zebra
    To be fair Warne gets far more opportunities to win matches for Australia than he would if he played for another country because his teammates are so good.
    Remember Warne has McGrath and Gillespie alongside to bowl with...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Casson
    And who are you to decide?
    ......either way

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    Warne is an alltime great.
    Probably the greatest legspinner ever ( the only competition IMO is Subhash Gupte).
    But best bowler ever ? naah. I would take Marshall, Hadlee, Imran Khan etc. before Warne in my team.

    Best spinner ever ?
    naah.
    he isthe second best spinner of his generation and possibly alltime. Behind one certain dude who goes by the name of Murali.
    Warne has a better loop and flight than Murali. Murali matches him in terms of movement off the pitch and betters him in variety and effectiveness.
    Warne has McGrath and GIllespie to sustain pressure from the other end....Murali only has Vaas who aint in the Pidge-Dizzy category as a bowler.
    Despite that, Murali out-performs Warne.

    Plus Warne gets treated like a highschool bowler against IND(test matches)....Murali has been a helluva lot more effective against both IND and AUS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C_C
    Warne is an alltime great.
    Probably the greatest legspinner ever ( the only competition IMO is Subhash Gupte).
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    Well. Bradman didnt think so. He rated Orielly higher (in fact the best bowler of all types as per him) and he rated Grimmett the best slow leg spinner of all type (the type Warne is) and
    - Bradman knew something about the game,
    - He was not showing a nationalistic bias
    he had seen all the three bowlers though played with ony two (nothat any one else has done more )

    So all this talk about Warne being the best leg spinner let alone the best bowler of all times has to be seen in the light of our limited credibility to comment on bowlers who played before we were born ! Lets remember that and forget this pointless debate

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    i tend to base my opinion on two things:

    1. an in-depth statistical analysis of the said cricketer
    2. Opinion of the peer group who've played against him/her.

    Bradman was very knowledgable and a gentleman with negligible prejudice(negligible because at the end of the day, ALL human beings have some level of prejudice). However, one thing you'd notice amonst all human beings is that they always tend to have a bias for their generation.
    In sports, culture,philosophy etc.... almost all generations claim that theirs was the best...as such, i am not too sure if bradman was impervious to that.

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