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    Quote Originally Posted by Top_Cat View Post
    Anderson's literally the only bowler in England who can bowl a world-class new ball spell right now. And that's what he's done in this series, runs have flowed from the other end and only against him later in an innings. He's in no danger of being dropped.
    I wouldn't drop him but they need to manage his workload better or he is of no use at all.

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    We just look jaded, to be honest. It's like that stage in the final days of the summer term, when children don't want to be in the classroom and your own mind is fried by an onslaught of admin, reports and meetings; you find a way to get by on auto-pilot because (to borrow controversial lexicon) you physically can't shift out of first gear.

    This is why you don't get inspected in the final week of term. England, unfortunately, are on the end of the furthest-reaching inspection they could ever have imagined, and consequently they are failing. This is also why you need a summer holiday, and why England need to take a long break before throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

    Besides, someone needs to start pulling up some serious trees for the Lions soon to create some genuine pressure on the incumbents.
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    Is there a reason everyone seems to have written off Trott? Mental illness should be treated seriously but there's no reason you can't completely recover from it. He'd be a proven test level performer during a period of blooding experience.
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    Not many have recovered in the past. Plus with Trott, his form was seriously on the wane. I'd suggested this be his final series before his illness was revealed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Furball View Post
    Yeah, let's ignore England's win in India.
    "both coming down from mass player departures of generational quality"

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    Quote Originally Posted by hendrix View Post
    Disagree with most of this post. Dismissing Anderson on the basis of his early-career influenced average makes you sound like a person who doesn't watch cricket, to be honest.

    I agree that they're just not that good now, but they were a very, very good team 2 years ago. Might've beaten South Africa had they played them at their absolute peak.
    On the basis of his early-career influenced average? See this is what I'm talking about. Anderson is averaging 58 this series, and 12 odd months ago when he was either close to, or the leading wicket taker on the ICC rankings list, he was averaging 30. So what are we talking about as a period where he -isn't- averaging 30? Two years? 2.5 years? 1.5 years? This isn't a long period of high grade bowling.

    It is just total crap to say that it's all about his early career. People are deluding themselves.

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    Yeah, I kind of agree with that actually. Anderson's been a great bowler for England for years, but I think there's a touch of delusion about his figures. People just drop a few runs off his bowling average due to his bad start, despite said start representing an increasingly small part of his career. His average hasn't really changed since the 10/11 Ashes, so I think it's fair to say simply waiting for it to drop below 30 is going to be a futile process. He had a period of 2010 and 2011 where he was a mid to low 20's average bowler, that's it.

    That's not to say he's an average bowler. To achieve a high 20's bowling average for a long period all over the world is remarkably impressive, especially considering he's also the workhorse who keeps it tight and helps create wickets for other bowlers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3703 View Post
    "both coming down from mass player departures of generational quality"
    Which players other than Dravid? Is V.V.S really that 'generational'? Zaheer played, Sachin played, Gambir played, Sehwag played,

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    From 2008 to now, he averages 28.77. On form that'll be over 29 by the end of this series. Hardly the stuff of legend. Bell was comparing him to McGrath a little while ago, I mean...

    This is a bloody good bowler, but he's kind of also the poster child for this inflated sentiment surrounding the side right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 91Jmay View Post
    Which players other than Dravid? Is V.V.S really that 'generational'? Zaheer played, Sachin played, Gambir played, Sehwag played,
    Those guys had become **** by the time England toured India. Plus take out Monty, and England may well have lost the series 3-0 instead of winning it 2-1. Wasn't a very collectively awesome performance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by centurymaker View Post
    Those guys had become **** by the time England toured India. Plus take out Monty, and England may well have lost the series 3-0 instead of winning it 2-1. Wasn't a very collectively awesome performance.
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    Interesting that Monty was picked out (by centurymaker), rather than Cook, Swann, Anderson or Pieterson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarun View Post
    Interesting that Monty was picked out (by centurymaker), rather than Cook, Swann, Anderson or Pieterson.
    He was the one who changed the whole course of the series by picking up so many wickets first up in the all crucial Mumbai Test. It was his inclusion that suddenly put India's batting line-up under immense pressure and his team-mates just benefitted from it and were able to run home the advantage.
    It's sort of like how Johnson's spell in Gabba paved the path for their Ashes victory. Clarke & Warner scored big. Harris and co started chipping in more. His performance inspired his team-mates into bigger things.

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    Eh? The people who changed that series were Cook and KP, not really sure how you could argue otherwise.
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    Ali Cook considering his status as the number one ticket holder for the Cronulla Sharks aws.

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