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*Official* Road to the 2010/11 Ashes

Flem274*

123/5
Laughing at the horror that Australia has fallen to 5th in a very tight contest for the top 3 spots. Oh noes!

Your team is good, but one of Hussey and North should go. Two debutants for the Ashes is asking for it.

EDIT: And Callum Ferguson should not play in the Ashes.

EDIT 2: Dropping Johnson....is this guy an idiot?

EDIT3: Smith at 8:laugh:
 
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aussie

Hall of Fame Member
I feel your frustration Mr.Howardj & as i equally religious AUS supporter. But even in times of stress one needs to be fair in criticism.

Firstly dont take the flawed ranking system serious. Since AUS are not the 5th best team in the world by any means regardless of the inconsistent test form.

Post McWarne era up until the AUS won in SA 08/09. The team certainly was in transittion mode & was young in terms of test match experience.

The whole world North should be dropped no arguments their. While although i dont mind backing Hussey for the 1st test, i also dont mind if he is dropped for one of Hughes or Khawaja.

AUS problems basically all comes back to the fact that the selectors are poor & they need replacing more than any player before the Ashes.
 

howardj

International Coach
I feel your frustration Mr.Howardj & as i equally religious AUS supporter. But even in times of stress one needs to be fair in criticism.

Firstly dont take the flawed ranking system serious. Since AUS are not the 5th best team in the world by any means regardless of the inconsistent test form.

Post McWarne era up until the AUS won in SA 08/09. The team certainly was in transittion mode & was young in terms of test match experience.

The whole world North should be dropped no arguments their. While although i dont mind backing Hussey for the 1st test, i also dont mind if he is dropped for one of Hughes or Khawaja.

AUS problems basically all comes back to the fact that the selectors are poor & they need replacing more than any player before the Ashes.
Yes, was back then.

Not now, by any means.
 

aussie

Hall of Fame Member
Yes, was back then.

Not now, by any means.
Yea the transition ended after the 08/09 SA tour & AUS have unfortunately settled in to a trend of inconsistent cricket.

But nobody is saying their are now. So i dont understand where Mr.Berry was ranting about in that article when he said...."I am tired of hearing that Ricky Ponting's team is young and needs time, as this a smokescreen''.
 

robinjr

School Boy/Girl Captain
here's my team for bris

watson
katich
ponting
clarke
hussey
khawaja
haddin
johnson
house
j pattinson
bollinger

i know pattinson's selection is a wild card but if you go by the weather reports this gona be a one wet summer where the ball will swing around a bit (may help the english bowlers).Pattinson is a fine swing bowler and be very useful in such conditions ahed the likes of siddle.Ritz will be in the squad as the 1st choice spin option but playing him at gabba is a waist of space really
 

Spark

Global Moderator
Ashes: time for changes

Good article from Darren Berry.

Two myths about the Aussie team are:

(a) That we’re a young team. This is rubbish - the average age of our batting line-up is 33 years. Further, Johnson, Hauritz and Hilfenhaus are all in their mid-late 20s, and our keeper is pushing 34.

(b) That we’re a team in transition. This is rubbish too – a mere 18 months ago we beat the best team in the world at the time (South Africa) in their own backyard with basically the same players that are still in the team today. We’ve gone backwards since then.

Fact is, there are only about seven serious Test playing nations in the world. Of those, we are ranked a paltry 5th. At least on rankings, we’re back with the hapless Kiwis and the ramshackle Windies!

It’s not good enough, and not acceptable that we continue to accommodate players like:

- a 35 year old in serious decline for the last two years (Hussey) and

- A 32 year old, who averages in the 30s in Tests and in the low 40s in Shield Cricket (North). North is a number six who according to Cricinfo gets out for under twenty in 4 out of 5 Test innings. Is that Test standard?

It used to be cut-throat at the selection table, but nowadays they retain proven failures.

As far as I am concerned, Ponting ought to get used to copping critical tweets from greats like Warney. Because, guess what? Punter is now presiding over the 5th ranked team in the world – and he needs to get his head around that. He is no position, and has no right, to be stifling/deflecting/rejecting criticism – thinking he is above the fray. He is presiding over a mediocre outfit at the moment and needs to cop it sweet (or, in this case, cop it tweet).

Phew...that had been building up in me for days...
Good article?

A middle order of Khawaja/Clarke/Ferguson is unproven at the very best. But dropping Johnson? And Smith at 8? I'm sorry but that's just ridiculous.
 

howardj

International Coach
Good article?

A middle order of Khawaja/Clarke/Ferguson is unproven at the very best. But dropping Johnson? And Smith at 8? I'm sorry but that's just ridiculous.
I say good article in terms of exposing the transition and youth myths surrounding the current Australian team.

I don't necessarily agree with the team Berry puts forward, however I would much rather have any combination of Khawaja/Ferguson/Smith/Hughes than the Hussey/North comedy duo.
How much more of a look would people like at Hussey and North? The only thing 'proven' about those two guys is that they are failures - Hussey for the last two years, and North's career.
 
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Son Of Coco

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Yea the transition ended after the 08/09 SA tour & AUS have unfortunately settled in to a trend of inconsistent cricket.
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Would agree with this, don't think we have gone backwards as such, players like Bollinger have come in and been reasonably successful. We just haven't really improved greatly as a team. We've been consistently inconsistent since then (and even were, to an extent, in the Australian leg of the SA series).

Teams chasing down totals on the last day has happened a little too often for my liking. Unlike the old Aussie teams, this one always seems to be carrying a passenger or two.

I can understand Berry suggesting dropping Johnson in a way. Doing it for the first test or two would be crazy, but if he was bowling like he did in The Ashes last year I wouldn't let him carry on for 5 tests. Especially if there were options available that would keep it tighter.

Could be the difference over 5 tight tests if he's not going well.
 

Jayzamann

International Regular
A little part of me wants North to play the first three tests just so I can hurl abuse at him personally in Adelaide.
 

Johnners

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
What will it take for people to realise that we quite simply aren't as good as we once were? Yes, the team needs changes in the middle order, and I'd be surprised if you found anyone of a sane mind who actually disagreed with it. However all this overtype hyperbole witchhunt is worse than apparent "crisis" the team is suffering.

That article has to be one of the worst i've read on it. So full of ****
 
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Spark

Global Moderator
What will it take for people to realise that we quite simply are as good as we once were? Yes, the team needs changes in the middle order, and I'd be surprised if you found anyone of a sane mind who actually disagreed with it. However all this overtype hyperbole witchhunt is worse than apparent "crisis" the team is suffering.

That article has to be one of the worst i've read on it. So full of ****
My fear is that the selectors will take them (being broader here) seriously and think that "Quick! Drop Clarke! Drop Katich! Install Smith as a 4th specialist bowler!". I mean, FFS...

And yes you are correct. Let's compare the team that walked out on the 1st day four years ago and the team that will walk out in a month's time.

Hayden, now Katich - No contest
Langer - Watson - Again, no contest
Ponting stays, but has gotten worse - mind you, he had to, the Ponting of the "live" tests of 06-07 was a sight to behold, is now just "good"
Clarke stays, has gotten better overall but like Ponting was stellar during the "live" tests (but not that stellar obviously)
Hussey stays, was also stellar during the "live" tests of 06, but unlike the above two is now genuinely poor
Martyn, now North - No contest even with Martyn at the very twilight of his career
Gilchrist, now Haddin - no contest
Warne, now Hauritz - ...
Lee, now Johnson - probably the one with the most similarity, as Lee was pretty poor IIRC for the "live" tests
Clark, now Hilfenhaus - No contest, as good as Hilf is, Clark was quite simply outstanding
McGrath, now Dougeh - No contest

So that makes 7 replacements which are definitive step downs of varying degrees, 2 players who have gotten worse, one quite drastically, one debatable and one improvement.
 
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GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
What will it take for people to realise that we quite simply are as good as we once were? Yes, the team needs changes in the middle order, and I'd be surprised if you found anyone of a sane mind who actually disagreed with it. However all this overtype hyperbole witchhunt is worse than apparent "crisis" the team is suffering.

That article has to be one of the worst i've read on it. So full of ****
Really? :p
 

Furball

Evil Scotsman
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, Australia's bowling attack is fine. In fact, it's very good. They've largely been getting the job done: the 3rd Test in South Africa and the Lord's debacle are the only times where the attack has properly struggled. That's a pretty good record over 20 Tests. Since the South Africa series, their bowling attack as a unit has averaged a shade over 30, and in 17 Tests the opposition has only passed 400 6 times - two of those being a powerful Indian line up in home conditions.

It is Australia's batting that is the problem. Since they've come back from South Africa, every Test they've lost, or come close to losing, has had an epic batting collapse at some point.

Lord's: all out for 215 in the 1st innings
Oval: 160 all out
3rd Test vs West Indies: after choosing not to enforce the follow on, 2nd innings collapses to 150 all out, leaving West Indies 358 to win; they fall 35 runs short
2nd Test v Pakistan: owned on the first morning, collapse to 127 all out. Should have lost were it not for crap captaincy, and even worse batting.
2nd Test v New Zealand: Katich aside, epic rubbishness from Australia sees them 231 ao. Never close to losing, due to a poor reply from New Zealand, and piling on 500 runs in the 2nd dig.
MCC series v Pakistan: poor batting throughout, particularly at Leeds, where they collapse to 88 all out, and need Steven Smith to rescue the 2nd innings to give the bowlers something to bowl at.
Border-Gavaskar series: 2nd innings collapses in both Tests prove crucial.
 

Bloody Hell

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
I don't think either of his disciplines are strong enough to get into the test team on their own, but looks more of a batting all-rounder to me. Bowling looks a bit wicket-to-wicket and straight up and down from what I've seen.

Might just make a #6 and fourth seamer.
Can't believe the amount of people spuiking for McDonald in this thread.

At best was a stop gap measure - nothing more. The players coming through have surpassed him.

With the improvement in Watson's bowling he has no chance, absolutely none.
 

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