The English Crowd

Langeveldt · 05-08-2009, 07:30 AM

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To be honest, I'm not sure what all the fuss is about.. Since when has booing been abuse, and since when has anyone been able to take a bit of moral high ground and complain about it?

When I saw the Aussies in Johannesburg, there were 43 thousand people chanting, "Siddle is a Wanker" as he ran into bowl.. To his credit he didn't get all precious about it and complain, he instead fired up the crowd and bowled like an absolute demon all day.. So I might not like the guy, but I have heaps of admiration for him.. Ditto I'd imagine I guy like Warne, who is enough of a champ to realize that it's part of the game, and if he wasn't so good, the crowd wouldn't be so vocal against him..

We tore into the Australians, and it got pretty nasty a number of times actually.. I don't see what their gripe with a few hundred drunks is.. Perhaps thats another of their "Auras" being lost.. No more thick skin and a big dose of metrosexuality.. Maybe they could tell the Sydney hill or whatever it is called now to stay quiet and only applaud during the designated times..

Jungle Jumbo · 05-08-2009, 07:43 AM

I was there on the Sunday evening when Ponting came out to bat, and, although I didn't boo him myself, at the time I didn't think anything of it at all. In fact it only increased my admiration for him as a cricketer when he guided his first ball down to third man for three. But in hindsight it does seem a little disrespectful.

That said, there were (slightly) mitigating circumstances. It was very late in the day and so the crowd was naturally at its rowdiest, plus the Johnson/Broad confrontation had raised pulses a bit. And the crowd had given Ponting a standing ovation on the Friday when he became the highest ever Australian runscorer, so it's not a state of complete hatred.

Yet in comparison to the Australian crowds chanting "KILL! KILL! KILL!" at our batsmen when Lillee and Thomson were at their peak, it seems nothing.

sledger · 05-08-2009, 07:45 AM

Yeah tbh it seems like this is a bit of a strom in a teacup for mine, professional sportsmen in prety much every other sport around the world have to put up with stuff at least as bad as this if not worse in a lot of cases. And besides, if the players have to put up with sledging from other players, I don't see why they get all upset about it when sections of the crowd try and wind them up.

pasag · 05-08-2009, 07:47 AM

Reckon it's pretty childish and annoying for the most part, have said the same thing about the poor Australian crowds in the past which are much worse at times. Wouldn't mind if it happened here and there but it's pretty non-stop over the entire series.

Langeveldt · 05-08-2009, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by sledger

Yeah tbh it seems like this is a bit of a strom in a teacup for mine, professional sportsmen in prety much every other sport around the world have to put up with stuff at least as bad as this if not worse in a lot of cases. And besides, if the players have to put up with sledging from other players, I don't see why they get all upset about it when sections of the crowd try and wind them up.

Well at Joburg we sung "The Roof, The Roof, the Roof is on Fire.. We don't need no Aussies, let those Mother*****rs burn" - in relation to the fires that were going on there at the time.. Obviously Ponting thought that wasn't bad as a few drunks booing him to the crease.. In fact I think they were going on about how hospitable we were?

PhoenixFire · 05-08-2009, 07:48 AM

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There is never anything untoward. It is always good, light-hearted stuff... They add a lot to the whole experience of the Ashes

From Ponting himself. Don't really like booing unless someone has done something really out of order (like cheating basically), but it's not the cardinal sin some people are making it out to be.

PhoenixFire · 05-08-2009, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Langeveldt

Well at Joburg we sung "The Roof, The Roof, the Roof is on Fire.. We don't need no Aussies, let those Mother*****rs burn" - in relation to the fires that were going on there at the time.. Obviously Ponting thought that wasn't bad as a few drunks booing him to the crease..

No offence mate, but that just makes you all sound like a right set of ****s.

pasag · 05-08-2009, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Langeveldt

Well at Joburg we sung "The Roof, The Roof, the Roof is on Fire.. We don't need no Aussies, let those Mother*****rs burn" - in relation to the fires that were going on there at the time.. Obviously Ponting thought that wasn't bad as a few drunks booing him to the crease.. In fact I think they were going on about how hospitable we were?

Pretty poor and not funny.

sledger · 05-08-2009, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by pasag

Reckon it's pretty childish and annoying for the most part, have said the same thing about the poor Australian crowds in the past which are much worse at times. Wouldn't mind if it happened here and there but it's pretty non-stop over the entire series.

Oh yeah I agree with this, I'm not at all a fan of it, I just think that it's hardly worth the fuss that is being made out. I remember how when I went to the first test in 2005 at Lords and everyone booed McGrath (for some unknown reason) when he walked out to bat, with him ultimately having the last laugh, and I was pleased for him that he did.

Indeed it is childish and annoying, but to me it is just one of those things, it's not as bad as something really crass like booing the national anthem of another side as used to be the norm at football matches here (which fortunately now seems to have ceased), it's kind of like a stupid pantomime I suppose.

Langeveldt · 05-08-2009, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by PhoenixFire

No offence mate, but that just makes you all sound like a right set of ****s.

Most definitely, which is why I'm more surprised at their outrage at the Barmy's now..

We also have a situation in SA rugby where the kicker gets booed if he is playing away. The commentators always get very precious about it, but isn't that just part of home advantage? Then if he's playing for the Boks he doesn't get the same treatment

sledger · 05-08-2009, 07:53 AM

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No offence mate, but that just makes you all sound like a right set of ****s.

Nah Hingston is a top bloke imo, he likes to ****, armwrestle and tell everyone in England how they live in a ****hole.

BoyBrumby · 05-08-2009, 07:53 AM

I think the fuss has been made because he was booed to the crease rather than booed per se. It's accepted etiquette to give the incoming (and outgoing) batsman a polite ripple, isn't it?

PhoenixFire · 05-08-2009, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Langeveldt

Most definitely, which is why I'm more surprised at their outrage at the Barmy's now..

We also have a situation in SA rugby where the kicker gets booed if he is playing away. The commentators always get very precious about it, but isn't that just part of home advantage? Then if he's playing for the Boks he doesn't get the same treatment

I hate that in rugby. Always thought it was above those sort of things, think the Welsh (who else?) started it.

sledger · 05-08-2009, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by PhoenixFire

I hate that in rugby. Always thought it was above those sort of things, think the Welsh (who else?) started it.

tum te tum..

BoyBrumby · 05-08-2009, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by PhoenixFire

I hate that in rugby. Always thought it was above those sort of things, think the Welsh (who else?) started it.

Ha, nah, 'twas yer French.

05-08-2009, 07:47 AM	#4 (permalink)
pasag RTDAS Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Looking for milksteak Posts: 31,679	Reckon it's pretty childish and annoying for the most part, have said the same thing about the poor Australian crowds in the past which are much worse at times. Wouldn't mind if it happened here and there but it's pretty non-stop over the entire series. __________________ Rest In Peace Craigos 2003-2012

05-08-2009, 07:53 AM	#12 (permalink)
BoyBrumby Englishman Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Doing the stance Posts: 42,615	I think the fuss has been made because he was booed to the crease rather than booed per se. It's accepted etiquette to give the incoming (and outgoing) batsman a polite ripple, isn't it? __________________ *- As featured in The Independent.* "This is not the time for namby-pamby promising youngsters who might just do something; not the time for building for the future. Pragmatism rules and they don't come more pragmatic than Rogers." - Victor Marks makes the case for stiff-legged and stiff-armed 35 year old left-handers in Ashes squads

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05-08-2009, 07:43 AM	#2 (permalink)
Jungle Jumbo International Vice-Captain Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: England Posts: 4,898	I was there on the Sunday evening when Ponting came out to bat, and, although I didn't boo him myself, at the time I didn't think anything of it at all. In fact it only increased my admiration for him as a cricketer when he guided his first ball down to third man for three. But in hindsight it does seem a little disrespectful. That said, there were (slightly) mitigating circumstances. It was very late in the day and so the crowd was naturally at its rowdiest, plus the Johnson/Broad confrontation had raised pulses a bit. And the crowd had given Ponting a standing ovation on the Friday when he became the highest ever Australian runscorer, so it's not a state of complete hatred. Yet in comparison to the Australian crowds chanting "KILL! KILL! KILL!" at our batsmen when Lillee and Thomson were at their peak, it seems nothing.

05-08-2009, 07:45 AM	#3 (permalink)
sledger Spanish_Vicente Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: cricsim, lol Posts: 28,072	Yeah tbh it seems like this is a bit of a strom in a teacup for mine, professional sportsmen in prety much every other sport around the world have to put up with stuff at least as bad as this if not worse in a lot of cases. And besides, if the players have to put up with sledging from other players, I don't see why they get all upset about it when sections of the crowd try and wind them up.

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