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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    Our blokes need to play him like they did in Cardiff really. Not get caught up in the machismo of it all and just play him on his merits.
    Think they did TBH - he just got them out (with help from one possibly-bad catch and one missed no-ball).

    The getting-caught-up-in-the-machismo didn't cause the wickets - good balls that no batsman could realistically play, and the fact that Simon Katich isn't Bradman and will drive a ball he shouldn't drive sometimes, did that.
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    Still think he has to be the most overrated player in the history of the sport, agreed he only took 3 wickets, and 2 of those were tailenders. The level of hero worship that surrounds flintoff is truly baffling to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oitoitoi View Post
    Still think he has to be the most overrated player in the history of the sport, agreed he only took 3 wickets, and 2 of those were tailenders. The level of hero worship that surrounds flintoff is truly baffling to me.
    I think it's about when he's performed as much as how well he's done, tbh.

    Yesterday's win was only our fourth in a live Ashes series (with the urn still at stake) since 86/7 and our first at Lords in any Ashes series since 1934. Rightly or wrongly Fred stepped up when we needed him. & the fact he's bowling on one knee and one ankle in his final test series ever helps too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oitoitoi View Post
    Still think he has to be the most overrated player in the history of the sport
    No one player can ever be such a thing. Hundreds and hundreds of different players with fair cases.

    Anyway the opening post of this thread is clearly to some extent spur-of-the-moment, spontaneous exaggeration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyBrumby View Post
    I think it's about when he's performed as much as how well he's done, tbh.

    Yesterday's win was only our fourth in a live Ashes series (with the urn still at stake) since 86/7 and our first at Lords in any Ashes series since 1934. Rightly or wrongly Fred stepped up when we needed him. & the fact he's bowling on one knee and one ankle in his final test series ever helps too.
    That my friend is the answer.

    However not that I share the feeling that "Ashes is the only test series that matter".

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Sean View Post
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    I'd just like to make the point that Hercules wasn't actually a God.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dontcloseyoureyes View Post
    Debatable TSTL. No bowler deserves a wicket off a no-ball.
    Katich certainly deserved to get out playing that shot, so I was prepared to call it even.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    Think they did TBH - he just got them out (with help from one possibly-bad catch and one missed no-ball).

    The getting-caught-up-in-the-machismo didn't cause the wickets - good balls that no batsman could realistically play, and the fact that Simon Katich isn't Bradman and will drive a ball he shouldn't drive sometimes, did that.
    Yes, Australia batted very very well in 2 out of 3 of their innings in this series. It has to be said though that the England bowling at Lords has to be the best we've seen since the 2005 Ashes. Flintoff and Swann were as good as it gets and Anderson wasn't far behind. Dont think Australia played Flintoff any differently in Cardiff than they did in the 2nd innings at Lords, but Flintoff stepped up a gear and the pitch at Lords was obviously a bit less dead than the one at Cardiff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FaaipDeOiad View Post
    I'd just like to make the point that Hercules wasn't actually a God.
    He was elevated after his death to sit among the Pantheon though, which has over time led some scholars and observers to consider him a God.

    A fact of which I have no doubt the OP was aware.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FaaipDeOiad View Post
    I'd just like to make the point that Hercules wasn't actually a God.
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    You must've not seen the Disney cartoon.
    Was a demi-God in that IIRC
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