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    I appreciate that John Barnes is a bit of a legend around these parts but to describe him as that generally is a bit much

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uppercut View Post
    Iniesta was already picked at 65.
    Ah, I missed that.

    OK, I'll go with Klose.

    But I'd like to be wrong and see Gerson or Falcao sneak in.

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    Giuseppe Meazza will be in you'd think. Italy's best of the pre-WWII teams, and has a major stadium named after him which should jog the journos' memories.

    I don't think 3 players from Italy 82 will be there.

    Guardian may be too anti-English to pick Bobby Moore, but deserves a spot on the top 100 at least.

    Lahm should be waaay higher than 95, especially when Cafu is 25.
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    Zoff, Maldini and Rossi.

    Charlton and Moore.

    Pele, Ronaldo, Garrincha and Jairzinho

    Eusebio.

    Beckenbauer, Matthaus and Muller.

    Zidane, Fontaine and Desailly.

    Maradona.

    Cruyff and Bergkamp

    Some random bloke from an early world cup who is obvious and I missed them off.

    Only said Bergkamp as he isn't on the list and his goal in 98 is one of the greatest ever in the finals.

    Seems too many up to date ones really. Be interesting to see who they are though.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Samuel_Vimes View Post
    Giuseppe Meazza
    He's already in there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sledger View Post
    He's already in there.
    Oops. Well unless they pick José Nasazzi (Uruguay) which I doubt, then there shouldn't be more pre-WWII players.

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    I don't recall seeing Fontaine in there yet? Surely he'd make it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Samuel_Vimes View Post
    Guardian may be too anti-English to pick Bobby Moore, but deserves a spot on the top 100 at least.
    Nah.

    Working class hero and the early death angle plays well.

    He'll be there.

    Wasn't there a chap who won the first two world cups? For Uruguay in 30 & Italy in 34? Must be a chance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flibbertyjibber View Post
    Zoff, Maldini and Rossi.

    Charlton and Moore.

    Pele, Ronaldo, Garrincha and Jairzinho

    Eusebio.

    Beckenbauer, Matthaus and Muller.

    Zidane, Fontaine and Desailly.

    Maradona.

    Cruyff and Bergkamp

    Some random bloke from an early world cup who is obvious and I missed them off.

    Only said Bergkamp as he isn't on the list and his goal in 98 is one of the greatest ever in the finals.

    Seems too many up to date ones really. Be interesting to see who they are though.
    Desailly's number 60

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    Quote Originally Posted by wpdavid View Post
    Desailly's number 60
    Missed him.

    Be some obvious one I missed then.

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    Here is the final list

    The World Cup's top 100 footballers of all time ? interactive | Football | theguardian.com

    Not convinced about Romario at all.

    And none of us predicted Xavi either.



    Gutted that Kenny Sansom and Terry Fenwick missed the cut. Team of the 80's and all that.

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    Hard to dispute the top 5.

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    The breakdown in votes reveals why the results look rather questionable in places imo.

    I'm not sure what one has to be to qualify as an "Expert" or a "Legend" for the purposes of being eligible to vote in this, but it sounds significant to me that Messi, who imo should not be in this list whatsoever, received only 5 votes from "Experts" and over 250 votes from "Legends".

    On the other hand, Lev Yashin, who imo ought to be ranked far higher received over 350 votes from "Experts", but not receive a single vote from anyone who was a "Legend".

    Bit questionable for mine, but I suppose lists like this invariably are.

    Edit: Link to breakdown of votes - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...#gid=630229852

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    I really wish the Guardian would stop trying to create more appeal with these famous legends and experts. Only one of the Guardian's journalists voted for Messi but a couple of legends had him 3rd and 4th respectively. I thought they learnt from when Nesta managed to get Frank Lampard above Javi Martinez and Eden Hazzard in their 100 best players in the world last christmas.

    Imagine thinking only two people have bettered Messi's WC exploits. Imagine.
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    This English top three are cornflakes. They're not the most exciting thing out but they're pretty effective. Then the middle order are the sugar. Would be too much on their own but added to the cornflakes they add some much needed interest

    When KP returns he will be the banana..

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    Also, how is Berti Vogts not in this list at all? My prediction for him to be in the top 20 might have been a bit ambitious, but are there really that many fullbacks who have done better than him at the World Cup? His performance in the 1974 where he kept Cruyff quiet for the whole match is renowned as being something pretty special isn't it?

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