Group F - Ireland, Pakistan, New Zealand, Sri Lanka

[nightprowler10]

You keep bringing up Pakistan's history with ball tampering when there's never been anything outside of accusations.

[Smith]

Originally Posted by Athlai

Reverse swing in a 20 over game? ITSTL

Reverse swing obtained even after 8 overs by Zaheer and IShant Sharma. Fred and Simon did it in 15 overs.

[99*]

Originally Posted by nightprowler10

You keep bringing up Pakistan's history with ball tampering when there's never been anything outside of accusations.

Reputation doesn't have to based around fact. But I do believe Pakistan has cheated in the past to gain an advantage. So do many more.

[Jono]

Originally Posted by pasag

Seems like a pretty innocuous rap sheet, tbh.

Again, not that I think the incidents I listed down were wrong, but how are they innocuous? He's made some ripples during his captaincy.

I guess though, considering you're used to Ricky Ponting's captaincy, Vettori has actually been pretty quiet

[pasag]

Originally Posted by Jono

Again, not that I think the incidents I listed down were wrong, but how are they innocuous? He's made some ripples during his captaincy.

I guess though, considering you're used to Ricky Ponting's captaincy, Vettori has actually been pretty quiet

Yeah, that was my point of reference

I reckon you could do a similar one for Ponting and get about 40-50 pretty easily.

[Xuhaib]

Originally Posted by 99*

Reputation doesn't have to based around fact. But I do believe Pakistan has cheated in the past to gain an advantage. So do many more.

Still hurtin?

[99*]

Originally Posted by Xuhaib

Still hurtin?

Not old enough tbh.

[Sanz]

Originally Posted by 99*

I And given Pakistan's history, I dont blame him.

Chris Pringle...enough said !!

Oh wait..there is an excuse for it, it's called 'Martin Crowe's experiments with truth (and ball tampering)'.

[KiWiNiNjA]

Originally Posted by shivfan

No attempt was made to ask the Kiwi management to look for TV evidence. Rather, come out with it and cast unsubstantiated doubts on the way Pakistan plays cricket....

Umm, they asked the match referee if there was any evidence, and where happy when there wasn't any. I don't get it.....

[Sanz]

They already asked the match umpire once and told that nothing was wrong with the ball. Why go and ask again ?

What next, Contact United Nations and ask Ban Ki Moon ?

[KiWiNiNjA]

Originally Posted by Sanz

They already asked the match umpire once and told that nothing was wrong with the ball. Why go and ask again ?

I was unaware that an umpire and a match referee were the same people with exactly the same job, exactly the same view of the game, the exact same opinion, and the exact same resources.

How silly of me.

[99*]

Originally Posted by Sanz

Chris Pringle...enough said !!

Oh wait..there is an excuse for it, it's called 'Martin Crowe's experiments with truth (and ball tampering)'.

No it's not that Pakistan is the only country to ever ball tamper, just that Pakistan has a bigger reputation of it. And because of that reputation a person is going to think there's a greater chance that tampering has taken place.

[Sanz]

Originally Posted by 99*

Pakistan has a bigger reputation of it. .

And that 'Bigger Reputation' that you talk about is simply because of incidents like this. The fact is that it will Never Go Way and will be brought up every time someone writes a time line of ball-tampering despite the fact that it is completely unfounded.

Did Gul have a Reputation of it ? Not really but after this incident he does. Another Pakistani accused of Ball tampering. Actually it tells the sorry state of Pakistan Cricket that no one is willing to stand up and and when they do speak up they make a mess like Oval Test.

[Sanz]

Originally Posted by KiWiNiNjA

I was unaware that an umpire and a match referee were the same people with exactly the same job, exactly the same view of the game, the exact same opinion, and the exact same resources.

How silly of me.

Yeah and the next stop is International Court of Justice, Hague.

[Naumaan]

First of all finally got out of jail, was accused of RACIAL behaviour lol
really funny cuz i guess i belong to same race as does the indians lol
by the way, this ball tempering stuff, really annoying.
What's the proof?
Why kiwi's are shouting that Pakistan cheated when they've no evidence?
It means i can shout today, if south african batsmen hit long sixers against Pakistani bowlers, i can say they've something in their bats, otherwise no other team has hit that many sixers against our bowling. Rite?