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Thread: WC 2011 Format!

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    WC 2011 Format!

    Group A:
    Australia (1)
    New Zealand (5)
    Canada (12)
    The Netherlands (13)

    Fixtures:

    Feb 22nd:

    Match 07: New Zealand v Canada
    Match 08: Australia v The Netherlands (D/N)

    Feb 26th:
    Match 15: New Zealand v The Netherlands
    Match 16: Australia v Canada (D/N)

    Mar 2nd:
    Match 23: The Netherlands v Canada
    Match 24: Australia v New Zealand (D/N)

    Group B:

    India (2)
    England (6)
    Ireland (11)
    Kenya (13)

    Fixtures:

    Feb 19th:
    Match 01: India v Ireland
    Match 02: England v Kenya (D/N)

    Feb 23rd:
    Match 09: England v Ireland
    Match 10: India v Kenya (D/N)

    Feb 27th:
    Match 17: Ireland v Kenya
    Match 18: India v England (D/N)

    Group C:
    Pakistan (3)
    Sri Lanka (6)
    Zimbabwe (10)
    Afghanistan (15)

    Fixtures:

    Feb 20th:
    Match 03: Pakistan v Afghanistan
    Match 04: Sri Lanka v Zimbabwe (D/N)

    Feb 24th:
    Match 11: Pakistan v Zimbabwe
    Match 12: Sri Lanka v Afghanistan (D/N)

    Feb 28th:
    Match 19: Zimbabwe v Afghanistan
    Match 20: Pakistan v Sri Lanka (D/N)

    Group D:
    South Africa (4)
    West Indies (8)
    Bangladesh (9)
    Scotland (16)

    Fixtures:


    Feb 21st:
    Match 05: West Indies v Scotland
    Match 06: South Africa v Bangladesh (D/N)

    Feb 25th:
    Match 13: South Africa v Scotland
    Match 14: Bangladesh v West Indies (D/N)

    Mar 1st:
    Match 21: South Africa v West Indies
    Match 22: Bangladesh v Scotland (D/N)

    Mar 3rd:
    Rest Day

    --------------------------------- Knock Out Stages ------------------------------------------

    Mar 4th:
    Match 25: QF 1: A1 v D2 (D/N)

    Mar 5th:
    Match 26: QF 2: B1 v C2 (D/N)

    Mar 6th:
    Match 27: QF 3: C1 v B2 (D/N)

    Mar 7th:
    Match 28: QF 4: D1 v A2 (D/N)

    Mar 8th:
    Rest Day

    Mar 9th:
    Match 29: SF 1: QF 1 W v QF 2 W (D/N)

    Mar 10th:
    Match 30: SF 2: QF 3 W v QF 4 W (D/N)

    Mar 11th:
    Rest Day

    Mar 12th:
    Match 31: Plate Final: SF 1 L v SF 2 L (D/N)

    Mar 13th:
    Match 32: Final: SF 1 W v SF 2 W (D/N)

    I some how don't like the format of either 2007 or 2011 CWCs. Feel 2011 is better than 2007 but still prefer the format above. Its Short - more nations & less number of mis matches. Pls post ur opinions & votes... Thanks.


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    Far more sensible structure! Each game is important, which means that each game is interesting.

    While 2011 format is bad, 2015 is doomed to failure before a ball is bowled. 10 teams in 1 pool. Endless games which will be irrelevant. Everyone will be asleep long before the finals come around...

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    What I gauge from posters' views here on CW is that they would like to see the following format.

    10 teams in the WC (Top 8 + Bangladesh and Ireland)

    2 groups of 5 teams each. The top 2 from each advance to the Semi Finals, and then the Final. Makes every match meaningful.

    Short and sweet.

    EDIT: With 5 teams in each group, we are looking at a total of 10 games in each group. Now if we have one day game and one day/night match, we can fit in 2 games a day. Hence, that would mean 10 days worth of matches. Then one day break, and then both Semi Final matches held the next day. Then another days break, and the Final. That means a total of 14 days, or 2 weeks. Fantastic.
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    to address lop sided games they should make all round robin games 40 overs.

    from QF to F all games are played 50 overs.

    kinda like the rugby 7's with the furher you get the games extend. in length

    what could be another element is the oves are split. at the 20th over. the leading team of the 1st split wins a bonus point. it also hepls a minow or not of high team to skew the awfulness of the game. case in point.

    NZ vs Ken.
    Ken
    59/6 (20 overs) RR 2.95
    NZ
    180/? (20 overs.) RR 9.00 (based on the rr they maintened)

    NZ win first innings point and ken you has to score another 122 runs just to get NZ bat again.

    SL vs Can
    SL
    92/2 (20 overs) RR 4.6
    Can
    47/4 (20 over) RR 2.35

    **maybe the team that wins the BP of the 1st split can decide if they want to force the other team to follow on. or swap as per usual its more than a BP its motivation to dictate the match.


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    All of you ****s should be in the ICC, way too much thought being given here to ideal formats. No format is going to please everybody.

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    Best comment I heard was about the group with 5 test sides being called 'the group of death', but the cause of death being old age. Of course the whole thing's way too long and of course there are way too many complete mismatches. The ICC tournament is so superior nowadays that it's just not funny.

    Yes, there will probably be an upset somewhere and everyone will claim that justifies having 7 non-test teams in the competition, just like Ireland beating Pakistan last time apparently made up for all the non-events before and after it.

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    How about we make a rule that any team that loses a game by 100+ runs or 8+ wickets is not allowed to compete in the next world cup. How many tournaments would it take before there are no teams left??

    Who cares if there are mismatches? There are mismatches in EVERY world cup, be it cricket, soccer, rugby union, rugby league, ... whatever!

    The World Cup is so much more than who lifts up the trophy at the end. It should be a celebration of a sport which is played all around the world. Having less than 10% of the cricket world's nations competing is a travesty!

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    But it's not just 1 or 2 mismatches, it's that of the 42 group games, as a conservative estimate half of them will be one-sided, making it a complete waste of time.

    So far it's been 4 games, 4 very predictable results, and all of them thrashings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by juro View Post
    How about we make a rule that any team that loses a game by 100+ runs or 8+ wickets is not allowed to compete in the next world cup. How many tournaments would it take before there are no teams left??

    Who cares if there are mismatches? There are mismatches in EVERY world cup, be it cricket, soccer, rugby union, rugby league, ... whatever!

    The World Cup is so much more than who lifts up the trophy at the end. It should be a celebration of a sport which is played all around the world. Having less than 10% of the cricket world's nations competing is a travesty!

    Care to name a single soccer WC where there's been as many mismatches as we routinely see every time in the cricket WC?

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    Quote Originally Posted by marc71178 View Post
    But it's not just 1 or 2 mismatches, it's that of the 42 group games, as a conservative estimate half of them will be one-sided, making it a complete waste of time.

    So far it's been 4 games, 4 very predictable results, and all of them thrashings.
    Okay, that takes us down to 8 teams. Why don't we just have the Champions Trophy every 2 years? Oh yeah, nobody likes that tournament...

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    Quote Originally Posted by wpdavid View Post
    Care to name a single soccer WC where there's been as many mismatches as we routinely see every time in the cricket WC?
    Just because a soccer score of 2-0 doesn't look as bad as a cricket score of 250-100, doesn't mean it is not a mismatch...

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    another aspect re: soccer is that if a minow team gets a goal the other more superior team only needs to score to draw the match which is a legitimate option in soccer, which occured to NZ in ther soccer pool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juro View Post
    Just because a soccer score of 2-0 doesn't look as bad as a cricket score of 250-100, doesn't mean it is not a mismatch...
    ...hmmm I think it does, actually. You're going to need to explain a bit more clearly exactly how a 2-0 result in football = a 150 margin in cricket if I'm going to be convinced by that particular line of argument.

    Anyway, fwiw, I'm not saying there shouldn't be any of the associates. Simply that having them make up almost half of the competing nations is way too many. A tournament involving 12 nations would probably be just about right imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wpdavid View Post
    ...hmmm I think it does, actually. You're going to need to explain a bit more clearly exactly how a 2-0 result in football = a 150 margin in cricket if I'm going to be convinced by that particular line of argument.

    Anyway, fwiw, I'm not saying there shouldn't be any of the associates. Simply that having them make up almost half of the competing nations is way too many. A tournament involving 12 nations would probably be just about right imo.
    there's only 4 associates in the wc.

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    If 2015 CWC is 10 team format, there should be qualifiers some wat like this:

    2013 Qualifiers in Scotland should be made WCL - Div 1 only to grant ODI status. Lets say the new ODI nations are:

    1) Ireland
    2) Afghanistan
    3) The Netherlands
    4) Scotland
    5) Namibia
    6) Kenya

    These new ODI nations should then play qualifiers in place of Div 1:

    Example:
    ICC 2015 CRICKET WORLD CUP QUALIFIERS, IRELAND 2014

    Participating Nations:
    1) Bangladesh/West Indies (Rank 9)

    2) Zimbabwe (Rank 10)

    3) Ireland
    4) Afghanistan
    5) The Netherlands
    6) Scotland
    7) Namibia
    8) Kenya

    Fixtures:
    Day 1:
    Match 01: Bangladesh v Kenya
    Match 02: Zimbabwe v Namibia

    Day 2:
    Match 03: Ireland v Scotland
    Match 04: Afghanistan v The Netherlands

    Day 3:
    Match 05: Bangladesh v Namibia
    Match 06: Zimbabwe v Kenya

    Day 4:
    Match 07: Ireland v Netherlands
    Match 08: Afghanistan v Scotland

    Day 5:
    Match 09: Bangladesh v Zimbabwe
    Match 10: Kenya v Namibia

    Day 6:
    Match 11: Ireland v Afghanistan
    Match 12: Scotland v The Netherlands

    Day 7:
    Rest Day

    Day 8:
    Match 13: Bangladesh v Ireland
    Match 14: Zimbabwe v Afghanistan

    Day 9:
    Match 15: Kenya v The Netherlands
    Match 16: Namibia v Scotland

    Day 10:
    Match 17: Bangladesh v Afghanistan
    Match 18: Zimbabwe v Ireland

    Day 11:
    Match 19: Kenya v Scotland
    Match 20: The Netherlands v Namibia

    Day 12:
    Match 21: Bangladesh v The Netherlands
    Match 22: Zimbabwe v Scotland

    Day 13:
    Match 23: Ireland v Kenya
    Match 24: Afghanistan v Namibia

    Day 14:
    Rest Day

    Day 15:
    Match 25: Bangladesh v Scotland
    Match 26: Zimbabwe v The Netherlands

    Day 16:
    Match 27: Ireland v Namibia
    Match 28: Afghanistan v Kenya

    Day 17:
    Reserve Day

    Ur opinions?
    Last edited by laksh_01; 22-02-2011 at 10:50 PM.

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