Drug Testing? World Cup?

[silentstriker]

OK.

The rules need changing - simple as. It's a mark of them that I don't even know what such rules might pertain to. Do ICC have a list of banned substances, or are they just referred to a WACA code?

Yea, WADA code is it. In France for example, creatine is banned...which is ridiculous. A consistent international code is what is needed.

 

[Richard]

In France for example, creatine is banned...

I'm glad I don't live there.

 

[LA ICE-E]

as the other one day and test series are not a icc tournament and are by their respective boards, icc do can't test the players while the icc checks any random players in every of their tournaments. its not necessary for any board to conduct a drug test but they do that because they don't want any of their players to be there in a such big tournament to be sent home by the icc as thats a shame to the country and shame that tournament so they check their players and send them home if they are using it on their own. and those who do that atleast none of their players ar the big tournament we using drugs.

 

[vic_orthdox]

In Australia, an NRL player was sacked by his club after he was found with cocaine in his system in an in-house club testing regime. Therefore, because he wasn't captured by NRL officials, he was able to sign up with another club next year and not get an official ban.

Potentially, I wouldn't be surprised to see a lot of other sporting organizations doing this in the future. The AFL code regarding "recreational drugs" is in my opinion a much better one than the WADA code.

 

[Richard]

as the other one day and test series are not a icc tournament and are by their respective boards

Err, that's why I$C$C can impose fines upon Boards who break the terms set down in the FTP?

 

[LA ICE-E]

yeah because that has to do with the boards keeping their full membership...all full members have to play the other members. so its upto the boards they don't have to follow the ftp but they wont be a full member though its still the board's bussiness

 

[Richard]

No serious mention has ever been made of kicking countries off the board.

Fines have, and have been genuine reasons for tours being undertaken.

A similar thing for drug-testing could quite easily be put into place.

 

[LA ICE-E]

uh if a country dont play any cricket for a year just wait and see if they still have full membership. but at the end the icc isnt organizing the tours so at the end of the day if you would like something like that then it would still be the boards doing the testing with icc putting fines if a board to test its players so it still wouldn't be the icc testing the players. it only test players at icc tournaments and that totally makes sense. thats how it is for most sports

 

[Richard]

I$C$C does schudule all tours - same way it makes the Laws Of Cricket.

It'd be perfectly straightforward to incorporate a playing-condition about drug-testing, which would then be binding to the participants.

 

[silentstriker]

I agree that they can and should mandate drug testing.

But the two respective board schedule the tours bilaterally. As long as they play each other home and away in an ODI and Test series every six years, everyone is happy.

 

[Richard]

I$C$C sets-down guidelines of when these are supposed to be, doesn't it?

 

[LA ICE-E]

1. no it doesn't a tour can happen when ever 2 boards agree as long all the teams play each other once home/away in 6 years/
2.the ICC doesn't make or ever made the Laws Of Cricket.
3. even if drug testing was mandatory (which probably will be soon) the icc wouldn't do it, the boards would and just send the report to the icc.
so at the end of the day what you said is why is it upto the boards?because the boards organizes the tours not icc, icc just sets the guidelines. so the icc would just set the guidelines for drug testing as well.

 

[Richard]

1. no it doesn't a tour can happen when ever 2 boards agree as long all the teams play each other once home/away in 6 years/

There's flexibility, but there's also a specific plan.

2.the ICC doesn't make or ever made the Laws Of Cricket.

Yes, it does - MCC remain the "keepers" but I$C$C (via committee) can and do change them. Witness the graphite-bat incident of late.

3. even if drug testing was mandatory (which probably will be soon) the icc wouldn't do it, the boards would and just send the report to the icc.
so at the end of the day what you said is why is it upto the boards?because the boards organizes the tours not icc, icc just sets the guidelines. so the icc would just set the guidelines for drug testing as well.

I$C$C would organise drug-testing same way it organised Umpires, Match-Referees, etc. We all know what happened when a National Board refused to accept a I$C$C Match-Referee - the match had Test status stripped.

 

[LA ICE-E]

There's flexibility, but there's also a specific plan.

Yes, it does - MCC remain the "keepers" but I$C$C (via committee) can and do change them. Witness the graphite-bat incident of late.

I$C$C would organise drug-testing same way it organised Umpires, Match-Referees, etc. We all know what happened when a National Board refused to accept a I$C$C Match-Referee - the match had Test status stripped.

uh no MCC is not just the keeper they, here its from wikipedea "Even though the ICC doesn't have copyright to the laws of cricket and only the MCC may change the laws, nowadays this would usually only be done after discussions with the game's global governing body, the ICC."

and so icc doesn't change anything with its committee MCC just discusses the rules with the ICC.

 

[Richard]

MCC is a private club.

Do you really imagine the cricket World is so absurd that an English club has any say whatsoever in the way the game is govorned?

 

[LA ICE-E]

uh your just stupid. who said anything about how the game is governed. i said MCC has the copyright to the Laws of cricket! so the icc doesn't change laws

 

[Richard]

Err... I$C$C do change the laws... MCC are merely the "keepers", for no other reason than "that's the way it's always been".

MCC are not in reality any players in the grand scheme any longer.

 

[LA ICE-E]

uh no ICC may suggest it to the MCC but its the MCC who makes the final discision.

 

[Richard]

No, it's not. In theory they retain the power to completely throw-out any changes.

This is in theory only. No committee of 10 middle-aged Englishmen who've done nothing more than pay a subscription in reality have the right to make the ultimate decision on the direction of a global game.

 

[Craig]

Some people are just so blinded in their hate/bias/whatever against certain countries that they just don't look at facts.

If Pakistan didn't care about their players using drugs, they wouldn't have tested them. WI and India do not test their players. At all. For all you know, Dravid and Lara could be on steroids for ten years, and you wouldn't know. WI is starting soon I believe.

But let's gang up on a board that tried, even though the implementation left a lot to be desired. I mean who wants to think through the situation when you can just throw one liners.

WHAT?!

That's unbelievable.