Who won these battles?

[Johan]

Who won their overall clashes between

Viv Richards vs Imran Khan?

Michael Atherton vs Allan Donald?

Garfield Sobers vs Fred Trueman?

Sachin Tendulkar vs Glenn McGrath?

Ian Botham vs Richard Hadlee?

Sunil Gavaskar vs Michael Holding?

 

[Johan]

I'll go

Viv
Atherton
Trueman
McGrath
Botham
Holding (tho this one is very hard)

 

[vidiq]

Viv


Donald


Sobers


McGrath

Botham (only 3 dismissal in 14 matches)


Holding

 

[Migara]

Who won their overall clashes between

Viv Richards vs Imran Khan?

Michael Atherton vs Allan Donald?

Garfield Sobers vs Fred Trueman?

Sachin Tendulkar vs Glenn McGrath?

Ian Botham vs Richard Hadlee?

Sunil Gavaskar vs Michael Holding?

Richards
Donald
Sobers
McGrath
Difficult to say
Holding

 

[capt_Luffy]

Imran
Atherton
Sobers
Draw
Botham
Holding

 

[Johan]

Imran
Atherton
Sobers
Draw
Botham
Holding

How tho

 

[capt_Luffy]

How tho

Viv failed in his 1st Series to Imran, and Imran drew a Series in WI and one at home when Viv played. Viv was excellent in both, especially the tour; but to choose I think Imran's achievement is Greater.

Quite young in 54, did alright. ATG in 57 with 700+ runs. Good series in 60 to beat ENG at home. I admit though I thought Freddie played in 66. Him bowling Great in all 3 series, especially at Home...... So yeah, probs him.

 

[Johan]

Viv failed in his 1st Series to Imran, and Imran drew a Series in WI and one at home when Viv played. Viv was excellent in both, especially the tour; but to choose I think Imran's achievement is Greater.

Quite young in 54, did alright. ATG in 57 with 700+ runs. Good series in 60 to beat ENG at home. I admit though I thought Freddie played in 66. Him bowling Great in all 3 series, especially at Home...... So yeah, probs him.

makes sense, I'd say Viv had the upper hand in head to head while Imran achieved more.

Yeah I think Freddie won their clashes, 54 doesn't matter, 57 was played on relatively flatter wickets and Trueman outperformed Sobers by a mile I think, 60 was played in Windies and Sobers dominated with 700 runs, 63 was bowler friendly and Freddie had one of the best serieses by an Englishmen in it where he took 34 wickets and kept Sobers down to low 40s average. All In all, I give it to Freddie as the 1960 series was a draw in all games except 1, and in that game Freddie got Garry twice and bowled the spell that set up and won the match, sealing the series.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Hard to answer without their head to head averages imo

 

[vidiq]

Viv


Donald
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Sobers
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McGrath

Botham (only 3 dismissal in 14 matches)
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Holding
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Hard to answer without their head to head averages imo

These are not Head to head average?

 

[Thala_0710]

These are not Head to head average?

No

 

[chris.hinton]

Who won their overall clashes between

Viv Richards vs Imran Khan?

Michael Atherton vs Allan Donald?

Garfield Sobers vs Fred Trueman?

Sachin Tendulkar vs Glenn McGrath?

Ian Botham vs Richard Hadlee?

Sunil Gavaskar vs Michael Holding?

Richards
Donald
Sobers
McGrath
Botham
Holding

 

[Johan]

Doing a little closer inspection...

Viv Richards vs Dennis Lillee

1975 West Indies vs Australia series

Lillee: 27 wickets @ 26 in 9 innings, 38 Strike rate, 1 4fer and 1 5fer
Richards: 426 runs @ 38 in 11 innings, 76 Strike Rate, 1 hundred and no 150+ score.

Point – Lillee

1979 West Indies vs Australia series

Lillee: 12 wickets @ 30 in 4 innings, 60 strike rate, 1 5fer
Richards: 386 runs @ 96 in 4 innings, 70 strike rate, 1 hundred.

Point – Viv

1981 Australia vs West Indies series

Lillee: 16 wickets @ 19 in 6 innings, 45 strike rate, 1 fifer and 1 tenfer
Richards: 160 runs the @ 26 in 6 innings, 85 steike rate, no hundreds, one fifty.

Point – Lillee

Verdict – Lillee beats Viv 2-1

Garfield Sobers vs Fred Trueman

1957 England vs West Indies

Trueman: 22 wickets @ 20 in 10 innings, 1 fifer
Sobers: 320 runs @ 32 in 10 innings, no hundreds

Point – Trueman

1960 England vs West Indies

Trueman: 21 wickets @ 26 in 8 innings, 1 fifer [series winning spell]
Sobers: 709 runs @ 101 in 8 innings, 3 hundreds

Point – Sobers, but special points for Trueman as he won the series with his spell while Sobers main performances were in draws.

1963 England vs West Indies

Trueman: 34 wickets @ 17 in 8 innings, 4 fifers and 2 tenfers
Sobers: 322 runs @ 40 in 8 innings, 1 hundred

Point – Trueman

Verdict – Trueman wins 2-1 with a special point for outperforming Sobers in 1960 when it mattered the most.

 

[govinda indian fan]

Doing a little closer inspection...

Viv Richards vs Dennis Lillee

1975 West Indies vs Australia series

Lillee: 27 wickets @ 26 in 9 innings, 38 Strike rate, 1 4fer and 1 5fer
Richards: 426 runs @ 38 in 11 innings, 76 Strike Rate, 1 hundred and no 150+ score.

Point – Lillee

1979 West Indies vs Australia series

Lillee: 12 wickets @ 30 in 4 innings, 60 strike rate, 1 5fer
Richards: 386 runs @ 96 in 4 innings, 70 strike rate, 1 hundred.

Point – Viv

1981 Australia vs West Indies series

Lillee: 16 wickets @ 19 in 6 innings, 45 strike rate, 1 fifer and 1 tenfer
Richards: 160 runs the @ 26 in 6 innings, 85 steike rate, no hundreds, one fifty.

Point – Lillee

Verdict – Lillee beats Viv 2-1

Garfield Sobers vs Fred Trueman

1957 England vs West Indies

Trueman: 22 wickets @ 20 in 10 innings, 1 fifer
Sobers: 320 runs @ 32 in 10 innings, no hundreds

Point – Trueman

1960 England vs West Indies

Trueman: 21 wickets @ 26 in 8 innings, 1 fifer [series winning spell]
Sobers: 709 runs @ 101 in 8 innings, 3 hundreds

Point – Sobers, but special points for Trueman as he won the series with his spell while Sobers main performances were in draws.

1963 England vs West Indies

Trueman: 34 wickets @ 17 in 8 innings, 4 fifers and 2 tenfers
Sobers: 322 runs @ 40 in 8 innings, 1 hundred

Point – Trueman

Verdict – Trueman wins 2-1 with a special point for outperforming Sobers in 1960 when it mattered the most.

Plz do sachin vs mcgarth and donald

 

[subshakerz]

Doing a little closer inspection...

Viv Richards vs Dennis Lillee

1975 West Indies vs Australia series

Lillee: 27 wickets @ 26 in 9 innings, 38 Strike rate, 1 4fer and 1 5fer
Richards: 426 runs @ 38 in 11 innings, 76 Strike Rate, 1 hundred and no 150+ score.

Point – Lillee

1979 West Indies vs Australia series

Lillee: 12 wickets @ 30 in 4 innings, 60 strike rate, 1 5fer
Richards: 386 runs @ 96 in 4 innings, 70 strike rate, 1 hundred.

Point – Viv

1981 Australia vs West Indies series

Lillee: 16 wickets @ 19 in 6 innings, 45 strike rate, 1 fifer and 1 tenfer
Richards: 160 runs the @ 26 in 6 innings, 85 steike rate, no hundreds, one fifty.

Point – Lillee

Verdict – Lillee beats Viv 2-1

Garfield Sobers vs Fred Trueman

1957 England vs West Indies

Trueman: 22 wickets @ 20 in 10 innings, 1 fifer
Sobers: 320 runs @ 32 in 10 innings, no hundreds

Point – Trueman

1960 England vs West Indies

Trueman: 21 wickets @ 26 in 8 innings, 1 fifer [series winning spell]
Sobers: 709 runs @ 101 in 8 innings, 3 hundreds

Point – Sobers, but special points for Trueman as he won the series with his spell while Sobers main performances were in draws.

1963 England vs West Indies

Trueman: 34 wickets @ 17 in 8 innings, 4 fifers and 2 tenfers
Sobers: 322 runs @ 40 in 8 innings, 1 hundred

Point – Trueman

Verdict – Trueman wins 2-1 with a special point for outperforming Sobers in 1960 when it mattered the most.

What about WSC for Viv and Lillee?

 

[subshakerz]

Plz do sachin vs mcgarth and donald

96 was just a single test.

99 and 2001 series are edge Sachin though McGrath was brilliant both series and got him out four times but had a bit of luck with the decisions in 99.

2004 edge McGrath but Sachin was injured

 

[capt_Luffy]

96 was just a single test.

99 and 2001 series are edge Sachin though though McGrath was brilliant both series and got him out four times.

2004 edge McGrath but Sachin was injured

I will say 99 was drawish McGrath edge (drawish for how shitty some outs were) while 2001 was a Sachin edge albeit McGrath was Great. Won't really count 96 as anything and 2004 much either.

 

[subshakerz]

I will say 99 was drawish McGrath edge (drawish for how shitty some outs were) while 2001 was a Sachin edge albeit McGrath was Great. Won't really count 96 as anything and 2004 much either.

Not sure how 99 was McGrath edge as Sachin was in Australias den and scored a ton, 2 50s and a 45 in 6 innings despite facing an ATG attack and two bad dismissals, and getting a token MOS. He played McGrath rather well that series.

In fact fair to call both draws, McGrath didn't make it easy to score but Tendulkar had hard fought runs.

 

[govinda indian fan]

Not sure how 99 was McGrath edge as Sachin was in Australias den and scored a ton, 2 50s and a 45 in 6 innings despite facing an ATG attack and two bad dismissals, and getting a token MOS. He played McGrath rather well that series.

In fact fair to call both draws, McGrath didn't make it easy to score but Tendulkar had hard fought runs.

Sachin had bad umpire calls esp first test when he was set on 61 looking good for century. He was truly robbed that series

 

[govinda indian fan]

@subshakerz @capt_Luffy @Johan here is that dismissalhttps://youtu.be/jDXWU5R-T3E?si=mN6YkqZzFHeWGmeQ