Who is the best current International Coach

[chicane]

India's coming overseas tours:

May 2006: WI
Dec 2007: SA
Feb 2007: NZ
Jun 2007: England
Dec 2007: Australia

3 years before we can thrash England!

So nothing for two years, and then 20 months where we'll find out it all. I think Bangladesh may have won a Test by June 2006, though!

They may well do it but that's not India's fault. Just stop this ridiculous comparison.

(Statement to come back and beat me over the head with in three years' time: June 2007's series will decide the number one side in the World)

Yeah maybe but before that October 2004.

 

[EnglishRose]

India's coming overseas tours:

May 2006: WI
Dec 2007: SA
Feb 2007: NZ
Jun 2007: England
Dec 2007: Australia

So nothing for two years, and then 20 months where we'll find out it all. I think Bangladesh may have won a Test by June 2006, though!

(Statement to come back and beat me over the head with in three years' time: June 2007's series will decide the number one side in the World)

I do believe they have a tour to Zimbabwe in Oct 2005...but did you omit that on purpose ?

From India's viewpoint, that's quite some time to get ready......the first targets should be both the Zim tour and the WI tour in 2006.
WI may be a shambles now but 2006 is still a while away.

Heehee... June 2007 Pathan vs Harmison (it shall be decided)

 

[Neil Pickup]

They may well do it but that's not India's fault. Just stop this ridiculous comparison.

You asked me which I would bet on!

do believe they have a tour to Zimbabwe in Oct 2005...but did you omit that on purpose ?

Aye

 

[chicane]

Heehee... June 2007 Pathan vs Harmison (it shall be decided)

Yeah that too...

 

[marc71178]

Mind you, if someone offers enough cash, they'll be on the plane by breakfast - or is that just for ODI's?

(I kid, India fans, I kid)

Never a truer word than one spoken in jest.

 

[marc71178]

Geez, comparing Bangladesh to India is just plain ridiculous.

Yes, which why we're not actually doing that.

You seem to be using this as an excuse to denigrate India, and to belittle the Indian teams performance in Australia.

No, I'm just looking at it in context from a neutral point of view. A 1-1 draw yes, creditable yes, domination no.

 

[Neil Pickup]

Yes, I see it now..

India 117
SR Tendulkar 37, SJ Harmison 7-38
England 623-3 dec
MP Vaughan 300*, APR Gidman 148, IK Pathan 1-182
India 73
AB Agarkar 18, SJ Harmison 10-33

Something like that?

 

[marc71178]

Yeah, poor umpiring decisions and Steve Waugh magic are what saved Australia.

How can a team that was nearer the win be "saved"?

I never said India dominated the whole series. In Adelaide we won convincingly and in Sydney we were the better team and more likely to win.

Sydney you were not - that game could easily have gone either way.

I'm talking only about the current match. The ones in the Eng-WI series were very different except for the final match.

Let's see how Bangladesh fare in Jamaica, if the wicket there has some juice I don't see them coping with the pace and bounce of Best, Edwards and Lawson.

And what makes you think certain they will bowl like that?

No kidding....one test match for Bangladesh Vs India's 2 against Australia and another 2 against Pakistan. Oh wait the comparison is a joke so just forget it.

How many series wins outside again was it again?

Nil I believe.

The comparison stands because it is not comparing the teams directly.

Because it appears you think England are leagues ahead of India so just to make my point clearer.

Oh it does, can you tell me where I've said that or anything remotely close to that?

If India had a series now like LE said, then they have a better chance than Bangladesh. Even 18 months from now I don't see Bangladesh winning a test.

18 months is a long time (and it's more likely going to be 2 years) - more than enough time for a rapidly improving Bangladesh side to win a game.

 

[marc71178]

From the Melbourne test, Brett Lee also joined the attack

Which only further goes to emphasise the 2nd string nature of the attack...

 

[chicane]

Yes, I see it now..

India 117
SR Tendulkar 37, SJ Harmison 7-38
England 623-3 dec
MP Vaughan 300*, APR Gidman 148, IK Pathan 1-182
India 73
AB Agarkar 18, SJ Harmison 10-33

Something like that?

Yeah in your sweet dreams....

 

[marc71178]

But it turned out good as Pathan came through.

By Indian pace bowler standards he did anyway...

 

[marc71178]

And to suit your arguement you will say anything, even that Gillespie was completely out of rythm.

So 10 wickets @ 37.70 from a bowler with a career average in the mid 20's isn't out of rhythm?

 

[marc71178]

If both India and Bangladesh were playing the Windies (in the Windies) in the same two months, I'd put more money on India winning than I would the Tigers. I'm a fan of the underdogs, and I love Bangladesh, but I wouldn't say they're more capable than India at winning matches.

And that is not what is being debated here...

 

[marc71178]

Gillespie completely out of rhythm in that series ? Rubbish.....

Anyone who watched that series would realise that Gillespie most certainly was fully fit and bowling with great rhythm.

If fully fit, how come he only played 3 out of the 4 games (missing the 3rd and also unable to bowl in most of the second innings of the 2nd)

 

[marc71178]

Sorry dude, your argument is totally flawed..........First of all, why are you so sure that if it wasn't the rain, Australia would have made a lot more? The same Aussies goofed up in the second innings on a beauty of a batting track at Adelaide.

It's called momentum - a good start to the day and the Australians are nigh on impossible to stop...

 

[masterblaster]

yeah right buddy....

 

[marc71178]

I do believe they have a tour to Zimbabwe in Oct 2005...but did you omit that on purpose ?

Zimbabwe are unlikely to be playing Test Cricket by then.

 

[chicane]

How can a team that was nearer the win be "saved"?
Sydney you were not - that game could easily have gone either way.

The fact is even the Australian players acknowledged they were feeling weird playing for a draw. Nothing more needs to be said.

And what makes you think certain they will bowl like that?

How else will the WI bowlers bowl?

How many series wins outside again was it again?

Nil I believe.

The comparison stands because it is not comparing the teams directly.

That record will be improved if the ream remains as it is now till 2006.

Oh it does, can you tell me where I've said that or anything remotely close to that?

You obviously feel England did better than Ind in Aus and you feel they are more capable of winning away series. There.

18 months is a long time (and it's more likely going to be 2 years) - more than enough time for a rapidly improving Bangladesh side to win a game.

Not India's fault. If they played a series outside Asia their chances of winning are a million times better than Bangladesh.

Which only further goes to emphasise the 2nd string nature of the attack...

We also lost our frontline bowlers and our attack was largely headed by AA, Kumble and the 2 rookies. We were also second-string.

By Indian pace bowler standards he did anyway...

Javagal Srinath is our benchmark and you are quite right he did come through beautifully.

So 10 wickets @ 37.70 from a bowler with a career average in the mid 20's isn't out of rhythm?

Goes to show how well India batted...

 

[marc71178]

You obviously feel England did better than Ind in Aus and you feel they are more capable of winning away series. There.

Where did I say that?

I've never mentioned England here.

Not India's fault. If they played a series outside Asia their chances of winning are a million times better than Bangladesh.

But that doesn't change the initial question.

Goes to show how well India batted...

Conveniently ignoring the injuries he suffered, or were they because of the batsmen as well?

 

[chicane]

Where did I say that?

I've never mentioned England here.

It's obvious what you feel, especially about everything India.

But that doesn't change the initial question.

Don't look at the question, look at the logic.

Conveniently ignoring the injuries he suffered, or were they because of the batsmen as well?

All our bowlers were injured. Zaheer had a niggle in his hamstring in Brisbane, Kumble had a shoulder problem while bowling long spells....AA was playing after ages. Pathan was a 19 year old rookie. You are going nowhere with these arguements.