Who is the best current International Coach

[chicane]

Without rain on the first day, Aus would've been well over 400 for not many.

And you think that's an even game?

How can you rule out India coming back the way they did in the second day?

 

[marc71178]

In anycase even matching Australia at home is awesome and something currently England can only dream of.

It's not a series win is it?

If it's a match win then England had one in Australia as well (and we can also win series away from home)

 

[marc71178]

No during the Harmo vs Tuffey and Pathan debate.

So calling the number 2 in the world a better bowler than those others is now blind patriotism?

 

[chicane]

It's not a series win is it?

If it's a match win then England had one in Australia as well (and we can also win series away from home)

Not just the one match win. We almost had them in Sydney(a few bad umpiring decisions but that was there throuought the series) and totally dominated them, did England do that. We matched them throuought the series, did England do that? And we also can now win series away from home and outside Asia.

 

[marc71178]

How can you rule out India coming back the way they did in the second day?

Coming back from 400+ for 2 or 3 doesn't make the game as aeven as it does from 270 or so.

 

[chicane]

So calling the number 2 in the world a better bowler than those others is now blind patriotism?

Damn right it was. Those ratings as I said in that thread cannot be used outright to judge and compare, because if Pathan picks up a lot of wickets against Bangladesh and West Indies (don't question this) he will also be ranked high.

 

[marc71178]

Not just the one match win. We almost had them in Sydney(a few bad umpiring decisions but that was there throuought the series)

That's it, blame the umpires now.

and totally dominated them, did England do that.

Yes in the match we won we did. India did likewise, but by now means "dominated" them.

And we also can now win series away from home and outside Asia.

As evidenced by the last time India did it being back in the mid-80s

 

[chicane]

Coming back from 400+ for 2 or 3 doesn't make the game as aeven as it does from 270 or so.

No No No in the first day itself, when Aus were coasting at 262-2, they may well have struck back then.

 

[marc71178]

because if Pathan picks up a lot of wickets against Bangladesh and West Indies (don't question this) he will also be ranked high.

Not so - the ranking takes into account quality of opposition, and unless you noticed, Harmison picked up a lot of top order players.

Pathan is unproven, so to rank him alongside the likes of Harmison suggests that you think he's the best pace bowler in the World at the moment (which incidentally I have never said about Harmison, yet I get accused of being blindly patriotic )

 

[marc71178]

No No No in the first day itself, when Aus were coasting at 262-2, they may well have struck back then.

Apart from the fact it's almost impossible to do that sort of thing without a period of regrouping?

When a team is being hit that badly, they do not come back on the same day.

 

[chicane]

That's it, blame the umpires now.

There were bad decisions. But like I said they were there throuought the series and so both sides were at the recieving end. Jeez I just mentioned it

Yes in the match we won we did. India did likewise, but by now means "dominated" them.

We dominated them in Sydney, scoring 705, then bowling them out and enforcing the follow-on.[/QUOTE]

As evidenced by the last time India did it being back in the mid-80s

History won't count now, because this Indian side is different and IS capable of winning an away series.

 

[marc71178]

We dominated them in Sydney, scoring 705, then bowling them out and enforcing the follow-on.

1 match is not the same as a series.

And you didn't enforce the follow-on and by the end of the game were as likely to lose as to win.

History won't count now, because this Indian side is different and IS capable of winning an away series.

So why haven't you then?

Bangladesh are closer to winning a Test on recent performances than India a series outside Asia.

 

[chicane]

Not so - the ranking takes into account quality of opposition, and unless you noticed, Harmison picked up a lot of top order players.

So why can't Pathan pick up top order players?

Pathan is unproven, so to rank him alongside the likes of Harmison suggests that you think he's the best pace bowler in the World at the moment (which incidentally I have never said about Harmison, yet I get accused of being blindly patriotic )

You think wrong. Just go read that thread again. Pathan IMO is nowhere near the best in the world and neither is Harmison. And even Harmison is proving himself only now.

 

[marc71178]

So why can't Pathan pick up top order players?

I didn't say that, but it's not the quantity it's the quality on the PwC rankings. That is why Harmison is moving so swiftly up the ratings.

You think wrong. Just go read that thread again. Pathan IMO is nowhere near the best in the world and neither is Harmison. And even Harmison is proving himself only now.

And Pathan is yet to prove himself, yet you think he's a better bowler than someone that is by your own acknowledgement, proven.

 

[chicane]

1 match is not the same as a series.

And you didn't enforce the follow-on and by the end of the game were as likely to lose as to win.

Two matches. Adelaide and Sydney. They got us in Melbourne. How many times should this be repeated?

So why haven't you then?
Bangladesh are closer to winning a Test on recent performances than India a series outside Asia.

Rubbish. Recent performances you are talking about are Bangladesh nearly upsetting Pakistan and the current WI game, both on absolutely lifeless wickets which suits them more than the opposition in either case. And India's recent performances are in a different league.

 

[chicane]

I didn't say that, but it's not the quantity it's the quality on the PwC rankings. That is why Harmison is moving so swiftly up the ratings

It's quality and quantity surely. Anycase again why can't Pathan?

And Pathan is yet to prove himself, yet you think he's a better bowler than someone that is by your own acknowledgement, proven.

And Pathan is also proving himself now. I didn't acknowledge Harmison is proven. He's beginning to find himself only now and he needs to keep this up.

 

[masterblaster]

Another topic that has dared to venture off the beaten track.

Back onto topic however, you cannot split Dav Whatmore and John Wright really. Both are superb coaches.

 

[marc71178]

Two matches. Adelaide and Sydney. They got us in Melbourne. How many times should this be repeated?

"Dominating" a match you nearly lost!

India did not dominate the whole series, which was the point I made with "1 match"

Rubbish. Recent performances you are talking about are Bangladesh nearly upsetting Pakistan and the current WI game, both on absolutely lifeless wickets which suits them more than the opposition in either case.

How does it suit them more then their opposition, and does it really matter either way as if they win a game, it goes down as a win regardless of conditions.

And India's recent performances are in a different league.

To what?

 

[chicane]

"Dominating" a match you nearly lost!

But were more likely to win...

India did not dominate the whole series, which was the point I made with "1 match"

Yeah but it was an even contest between em. England were crushed.

How does it suit them more then their opposition, and does it really matter either way as if they win a game, it goes down as a win regardless of conditions.

Because they are slow and turn. There's nothing for the pace bowlers, which are WI and Pak's forte. And WI will find it tougher to bat against their spinners. And yeah they didn't win.

To what?

To any of the Bangladesh perforances you keep pointing out or for that matter England's performance against Australia.

 

[SJS]

Dave Whatmore . Considering the quality of raw material he is working with in Bangladesh and the short time in which he has shown results.