Which Indian team wins in India?

[Shri]

think bhajji and kumble will dismantle the modern batting line up easily but ash and jaddu are not going to consistently dismiss sehwag, gambhir, dravid, sachin, laxman at all

 

[subshakerz]

think bhajji and kumble will dismantle the modern batting line up easily but ash and jaddu are not going to consistently dismiss sehwag, gambhir, dravid, sachin, laxman at all

Yeah. I think Bhajjir and Kumble will be nearly as lethal as Ashwin and Jadeja on these pitches. Then the difference comes to the playing level against spin. Sehwag has the potential alone to play a blinder.

 

[Silver Silva]

Yeah. I think Bhajjir and Kumble will be nearly as lethal as Ashwin and Jadeja on these pitches. Then the difference comes to the playing level against spin. Sehwag has the potential alone to play a blinder.

Also Ashwin and Jadeja would be totally starstruck by the fact they bowling to their childhood heroes which may effect their performance.

 

[Xix2565]

Overrating performances in 2000s flat decks while ignoring the flat decks pre 2021 is not a good way to analyse anything. Kohli's side wins easily, better bowling attack and deeper batting lineup for all conditions.

 

[_00_deathscar]

think bhajji and kumble will dismantle the modern batting line up easily but ash and jaddu are not going to consistently dismiss sehwag, gambhir, dravid, sachin, laxman at all

Depends what type of pitch is prepared
If there’s help for the fast bowlers Dravid and Sachin could be walking in at 8/2.

 

[ankitj]

I'll go with Dhoni's side. Kohli's side's batting is too brittle. Kumble and Harbhajan are not easy bowlers to face in Indian conditions.

 

[subshakerz]

Overrating performances in 2000s flat decks while ignoring the flat decks pre 2021 is not a good way to analyse anything. Kohli's side wins easily, better bowling attack and deeper batting lineup for all conditions.

You are overrating Kohlis team.

They hardly faced any worldclass spinner, much less two at a time for an entire series. You had ordinary spinners who ripped through their entire lineup.

Sehwag, Laxman and Dhoni are elite players of spin. Sehwag alone has the potential to win at least one game on his own.

 

[Calm_profit]

Already mentioned it.

The Better Player: Ravi Ashwin vs. Shaun Pollock

They are nowhere near as good as those mentioned in these conditions. Especially the lack of world class spinners is important. Here's the thing, even if Donald and co ran riot through this Indian team, what do you think will happen when south Africa's much vaunted batting (sarcasm) had to face...

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[Daemon]

You are overrating Kohlis team.

They hardly faced any worldclass spinner, much less two at a time for an entire series. You had ordinary spinners who ripped through their entire lineup.

Sehwag, Laxman and Dhoni are elite players of spin. Sehwag alone has the potential to win at least one game on his own.

Here we go again

 

[Xix2565]

You are overrating Kohlis team.

They hardly faced any worldclass spinner, much less two at a time for an entire series. You had ordinary spinners who ripped through their entire lineup.

Sehwag, Laxman and Dhoni are elite players of spin. Sehwag alone has the potential to win at least one game on his own.

The 2000s gang batted on some of the best decks for batting at home, you're the one overrating bullying spin on flat tracks when Ashwin and Jadeja are different gravy to everything they've faced. And we literally saw them fall apart to Michael ****ing Clarke, who's barely a chucker at best. Of course good teams fall apart on occassion against random bowlers when the random bowler gets incredibly friendly conditions for them. That's not a criticism of anything.

 

[Majestic]

2000s team quite comfortably.

Guys like Pujara, Rahane and don't even know who are the openers of this team would run with their ass whipped by the Indian spin duo of Kumble and Bhajji.

Ashwin and Jadeja would try to be equally efficient but they will come second due to superiority of batting which Sachin, Sehwag and Laxman are capable of and showed numerous times in 2000s. Also, Kohli's team were masters in choking in 4th inning while Laxman alone had the knack of turning these tight games in his favour playing vs tail.

 

[Xix2565]

I don't get this line of logic about the 2000s era India. Their batting on rank turners was hardly impeccable enough to have this sort of **** posting about them. Let alone the bowling comparisons.

 

[subshakerz]

The 2000s gang batted on some of the best decks for batting at home, you're the one overrating bullying spin on flat tracks when Ashwin and Jadeja are different gravy to everything they've faced. And we literally saw them fall apart to Michael ****ing Clarke, who's barely a chucker at best. Of course good teams fall apart on occassion against random bowlers when the random bowler gets incredibly friendly conditions for them. That's not a criticism of anything.

India won that test and Laxman and Tendulkar scored 50s that innings, so it's a bad example.

Kohli's team's under MO for home success is built on the opposition not having spinners remotely as good as theirs. In Dhoni's team's case, not only are their spinners as good but their batsmen play spin better.

There is no way Kohli's team has a chance to chase 150+ against their team.

 

[subshakerz]

I don't get this line of logic about the 2000s era India. Their batting on rank turners was hardly impeccable enough to have this sort of **** posting about them. Let alone the bowling comparisons.

You are missing the point. There isn't a way you can be confident that Kohli's team will score more against Kumble/Harbi.

Tendulkar, Laxman and Dravid played plenty in the nineties on the tougher pitches too. Sehwag is the real danger man here though since his rate of batting can seal a game and take the pitch out of the equation. They all played many high quality spinners too in Warne, Murali, etc. You can reasonably expect 200 plus scores from them against Kohli's team.

 

[Xix2565]

India won that test and Laxman and Tendulkar scored 50s that innings, so it's a bad example.

Kohli's team's under MO for home success is built on the opposition not having spinners remotely as good as theirs. In Dhoni's team's case, not only are their spinners as good but their batsmen play spin better.

There is no way Kohli's team has a chance to chase 150+ against their team.

Right but the 2010s India doing well in good and bad batting conditions at home is ignorable I guess.

2000s India is basically the same though? With more flat tracks for net practice and draws. And opponents not having as many good bowlers as a good home side is totally normal in Test history, so this point is junk as well. Don't agree with the idea that the 2000s side was that much better when they didn't win as much anyway. Shouldn't have been that hard if they were that good.

Well yeah, because Kohli's side would finish them off in 3 innings with innings victories. Especially in your scenario.

 

[OverratedSanity]

I don't get this line of logic about the 2000s era India. Their batting on rank turners was hardly impeccable enough to have this sort of **** posting about them. Let alone the bowling comparisons.

That was one of the best batting lineups of all time regardless of pitch conditions. At home the gap between the top/ middle orders is huge and the gap between the spinners isn't (though in favour of Kohli's team).

What makes it closer is that the kohli team has superior batting depth.

 

[Xix2565]

Tendulkar, Laxman and Dravid played plenty in the nineties on the tougher pitches too. Sehwag is the real danger man here though since his rate of batting can seal a game and take the pitch out of the equation. They all played many high quality spinners too in Warne, Murali, etc.

Still didn't win as much though. So they suck, easy win for Kohli's side.

 

[Xix2565]

That was one of the best batting lineups of all time regardless of pitch conditions. At home the gap between the top/ middle orders is huge and the gap between the spinners isn't (though in favour of Kohli's team).

What makes it closer is that the kohli team has superior batting depth.

I would like to actually see these gaps in the records rather than people imagining a fiction that didn't exist.

 

[subshakerz]

That was one of the best batting lineups of all time regardless of pitch conditions. At home the gap between the top/ middle orders is huge and the gap between the spinners isn't (though in favour of Kohli's team).

What makes it closer is that the kohli team has superior batting depth.

I don't think the lower order can be consistently called on to make up for the gaps in the top and middle order.

 

[OverratedSanity]

I would like to actually see these gaps in the records rather than people imagining a fiction that didn't exist.

Are you actually arguing that the top/middle order under kohli is as good as the one under Dhoni in 2007-2011? I will not bother going through the numbers because if I point out their superior averages you're going to write it off as being because of flat decks.