What players have been caught "cheating"?

[Neil Pickup]

Any deception is active, as we've already done.
Not votunteering the truth is no better than lying.

That's not true and you know it.

 

[Legglancer]

Mark Waugh
Shane Warne

 

[Swervy]

Mark Waugh
Shane Warne

when did Mark Waugh CHEAT

 

[social]

Unless the ball tampering rules have changed, virtually every bowler Ive played with or against has cheated.

Hands up tose that have rubbed sunscreen on the ball or picked the seam or even soaked one side of the ball to promote reverse swing.

Im guilty of all three.

 

[SJS]

Unless the ball tampering rules have changed, virtually every bowler Ive played with or against has cheated.

Hands up tose that have rubbed sunscreen on the ball or picked the seam or even soaked one side of the ball to promote reverse swing.

Im guilty of all three.

Neither.

Only substance I used on the new ball was sweat from my shirt (under the arm pit ugh) and then rubbing vigorously that one side and cleaning the edges of the seam with my thumb nail.

But then there WAS no sun cream in India then

 

[Slats4ever]

when did Mark Waugh CHEAT

they were never convicted of taking bribes if i remember correctly

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

Any deception is active, as we've already done.
Not votunteering the truth is no better than lying.

Even if that was true, which it is not, it is not cheating to not leave when you know the umpire should have given you out, because it is not against the rules. The rules simply state that a batsman must leave if given out by the umpire, and that he may choose to dismiss himself at any time. He is not required to volunteer any information, and if you aren't breaking the rules you are not cheating.

Claiming a catch which you did not take is borderline, since it would count as frivolous appealing, which is something the umpire can give warnings for and is hence against the rules. And it's a far more flagrant violation of this rule than simply appealing for something that you think could have been out but probably wasn't, if you actually know that you did not catch the ball but still claim it, as in Roger Harper's case.

 

[howardj]

Mark Waugh
Shane Warne

What the?

Neither of those blokes have cheated.

 

[social]

What the?

Neither of those blokes have cheated.

Not if you believe their excuse that they didnt know "John the Bookie" wanted more than a weather report for his $10,000 they didnt.

And Shane's mum really shouldnt leave steroids lying around the house.

 

[howardj]

Not if you believe their excuse that they didnt know "John the Bookie" wanted more than a weather report for his $10,000 they didnt.

Gee, what a bullet-proof argument to prove they cheated

You should be a prosecutor.

 

[Slats4ever]

hehehe yeah i reckon

 

[imagine]

Former Pakistani captain Rashid Latif was also caught cheating. he claimed a catch after picking it off the ground. it was given out but tv replays later showed what he did.

 

[Slow Love™]

There was a previous thread that dealt with the distinction between claiming a catch you know you didn't take and walking, that raised some of the issues concerned here:

http://forum.cricketweb.net/showthread.php?t=10859

 

[social]

Gee, what a bullet-proof argument to prove they cheated

You should be a prosecutor.

So why were they fined the entire $10,000 if they did nothing wrong?

And why did John the bookie make further accusations against them only to back out of a subsequent hearing when refused immunity from prosecution?

Remember, we're dealing with sportsmen not saints.

 

[Scallywag]

So why were they fined the entire $10,000 if they did nothing wrong?

And why did John the bookie make further accusations against them only to back out of a subsequent hearing when refused immunity from prosecution?

Remember, we're dealing with sportsmen not saints.

So what proof have you that they cheated. Anyone can make accusations about anything and so far you have made a lot of mistakes in your accusations meaning your not very trustworthy.

 

[social]

So what proof have you that they cheated. Anyone can make accusations about anything and so far you have made a lot of mistakes in your accusations meaning your not very trustworthy.

So your denying that they took money from a bookmaker and were fined by the ACB for it.

Does the tooth-fairy still visit your house?

 

[Scallywag]

So your denying that they took money from a bookmaker and were fined by the ACB for it.

Does the tooth-fairy still visit your house?

I didnt deny anything, I just noted you dont seem to be accurate in your accusations as demonstrated again.

Yes the tooth fairy does visit my house.

 

[social]

I didnt deny anything, I just noted you dont seem to be accurate in your accusations as demonstrated again.

Yes the tooth fairy does visit my house.

How is it not accurate?

It's a matter of record.

There is nothing to say that they ever manipulated matches but they admitted taking money from a known bookmaker and were fined accordingly.

I suppose Warne's suspension for steriod use never happened either.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

I suppose Warne's suspension for steriod use never happened either.

Warne was not suspended for steroid use - this is also a matter of record. He was banned for taking a diuretic. It's significant in making a judgement in whether or not he is a "cheat", since there is no reason to believe that taking a diuretic would in any way increase his cricketing abilities or fitness levels. It is simply speculation to say he was using the diuretic to mask steroid use.

 

[social]

Warne was not suspended for steroid use - this is also a matter of record. He was banned for taking a diuretic. It's significant in making a judgement in whether or not he is a "cheat", since there is no reason to believe that taking a diuretic would in any way increase his cricketing abilities or fitness levels. It is simply speculation to say he was using the diuretic to mask steroid use.

Which is precisely why he escaped with a 12 month suspension even though 2 years is the norm in most other sports - a move which attracted world-wide criticism.

Unfortunately, it came at a time when he made a miraculous recovery from injury to play in the World Cup and, as such, attracted justified suspicion.

BTW, you will notice that I have never accused Warne or Waugh of cheating. Even their harshest crickets have failed to produce tangible evidence of questionable results.

Unfortunately, their actions whether naive or simply stupid, brought sanctions from the ACB who compounded the matter by, in the case of the incident in Colombo, trying to sweep it under the carpet.