What if Sachin Tendulkar was born in England. Do you think he would have ended up with a better record?

[Agonizingly Awkward]

Bigger question is what would his English name be?

Joe Root

 

[OverratedSanity]

He wouldn't have made his debut at sixteen in England.

This can be argued no doubt but it just wouldn't have happened imo

Would average ~60 for England without the teenage years bringing down his average imo.

I probably wouldn't rate him as highly though.

 

[Johan]

would average 70 playing for Australia imo

 

[Thala_0710]

Why would he not debut as a teen for England though? It's not like that batting line up was packed or anything

 

[Johan]

Gosh this has been crazier than the Viv would average higher in modern day Cricket crap

 

[ashley bach]

then he wouldn't ever develope into the batsman he eventually became.

Why not? It would just be a slightly delayed process wouldn't it?

 

[ashley bach]

Why would he not debut as a teen for England though? It's not like that batting line up was packed or anything

It's probably not a question of should he or not but more just about the way the English would have gone about it.

 

[Johan]

Why not? It would just be a slightly delayed process wouldn't it?

assuming he debuts at 21-22, he'd still have the early tough years made worse by England's ruthless schedule in the 90s and if he develops into the batsman he eventually became it would be years later, the decline would come regardless with age and tennis elbow, by having his initial development phase for international cricket taking place in early 20s, even if everything goes dandy he'd just years of peak.

 

[DrWolverine]

I don’t think Sachin’s legacy would change too much though. He’d still be viewed as the best batsman after Bradman (at least outside of CW) as he is today.

Would Don still praise him if he was from England?

 

[ashley bach]

assuming he debuts at 21-22, he'd still have the early tough years made worse by England's ruthless schedule in the 90s and if he develops into the batsman he eventually became it would be years later, the decline would come regardless with age and tennis elbow, by having his initial development phase for international cricket taking place in early 20s, even if everything goes dandy he'd just years of peak.

Fair enough but I was more thinking of just a couple years delayed so 18 or 19 when he debuts.

 

[Johan]

Would Don still praise him if he was from England?

Don used to rate Compton very highly so clearly no anti English bias.

 

[Johan]

Fair enough but I was more thinking of just a couple years delayed so 18 or 19 when he debuts.

the average still goes down if he debuts at 18 or 19, in the 90s he made 1200 runs @ 80 against Sri Lanka, England almost never played Sri Lanka, that alone would knock the average down by 2 or so points.

 

[DrWolverine]

Why would he not debut as a teen for England though? It's not like that batting line up was packed or anything

Youngest player in test cricket
NZ : Vettori. 18 years & 10 days.
England : Rehan Ahmed. 18 years & 126 days.
Aus : Pat Cummins. 18 years & 193 days.
SA : Maphaka. 18 years & 270 days

SENA cricketers don’t usually debut at such a young age so I am guessing he would debut when he was 18 years or 19 years but not 16 years.

 

[Arachnödouche2.0]

Why would he not debut as a teen for England though? It's not like that batting line up was packed or anything

Because that time in English cricket was steeped in conservatism.

 

[shortpitched713]

He'd be the exact same player.

Ageless, conditions independent, pure talent, whose only weakness could be a bit mercurial.

He would do just as well in England, I think he would likely end up getting even more Tests, more runs, more centuries, maybe at slightly lesser average, maybe not. But generally it would even out, or put him ahead in the Test game.

I think he'd take a hit to his ODI game, with the mismanagement of the England ODI teams during Sachin's career, and the general lack of emphasis or good approach to the format, as well as less game played having a detrimental effect to his output there.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Damn Cummins was so young

 

[Johan]

England played 72% of their games against Australia, South Africa, Pakistan and West Indies in the 1990s. India played 46% of their games against Australia, South Africa, Pakistan and West Indies and even then McGrath and Ambrose didn't travel to India. And all the pacers were strong in England, with West Indies/Australia/South Africa being very good for pacers and thus their natural habitat. In turn, the team Sachin made most of his 90s runs against, England only played 3 out of 107 games against, while India played Sri Lanka 13 out of 69 games.

but I guess losing your bogey team, and having to face the top opposition literally twice as much boosts your average by 6 points

 

[shortpitched713]

Because that time in English cricket was steeped in conservatism.

If you don't think the England selectors even today aren't dumb enough to pick another Zak Crawley over a young Tendulkar, you don't know them well enough.

 

[Thala_0710]

Youngest player in test cricket
NZ : Vettori. 18 years & 10 days.
England : Rehan Ahmed. 18 years & 126 days.
Aus : Pat Cummins. 18 years & 193 days.
SA : Maphaka. 18 years & 270 days

SENA cricketers don’t usually debut at such a young age so I am guessing he would debut when he was 18 years or 19 years but not 16 years.

They didn't have any cricketer as good as Tendulkar was at his age too, at least in modern times. If Rehan Ahmed can, surely Tendulkar with his record breaking feats ay school and FC level can

 

[Arachnödouche2.0]

If you don't think the England selectors even today aren't dumb enough to pick another Zak Crawley over a young Tendulkar, you don't know them well enough.

Dumb but at least open to ill-advised adventures like Bashir. Can you imagine him finding a spot in the 90s?