Warne vs Steyn (Test bowling)

[subshakerz]

It’s not silly, Steyn was a genius in Aus, and a big matchwinner for his team. WPM of 5, fantastic SR and averaged 28(which would get retrospectively adjusted to 24/25). And he was good in Eng as well, outperforming Broad and Anderson by a huge margin and turning up when required(2012). And we know he was amazing at home and in India. Imran was amazing at home, WI, but only good in Aus and Eng. And Imran’s home record will not grant him any plus points in this comparison, since Steyn already proved himself in in SC like tracks against batting that was godly on them.

We don't need to rehash the differences but suffice it to say I don't see how someone can look at both their records and deduce that one is notably better than the other. And my point on flat tracks is simply the double standard we apply to Steyn vs others.

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

We don't need to rehash the differences but suffice it to say I don't see how someone can look at both their records and deduce that one is notably better than the other. And my point on flat tracks is simply the double standard we apply to Steyn vs others.

Fair enough

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

1.Barnes
2.Akram
3.Marshall
4.Hadlee
5.Murali
6.STEYN
7.Lillee
8.Mcgrath
9.WARNE
10.Trueman

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

Steyn winning. Mission accomplished for today

 

[kyear2]

Don't mind either winning. One was unique and one was devastating.

 

[subshakerz]

Steyn winning. Mission accomplished for today

Excellent.

 

[subshakerz]

Don't mind either winning. One was unique and one was devastating.

Uniqueness ain't really an argument. You yourself argued against it in the past.

 

[CricAddict]

Uniqueness ain't really an argument. You yourself argued against it in the past.

Uniqueness is pretty useful in a combination.

 

[ma1978]

Uniqueness ain't really an argument. You yourself argued against it in the past.

It is when you’ve taken 700 test wickets and distinguishing yourself against other ATGs

 

[kyear2]

It is when you’ve taken 700 test wickets and distinguishing yourself against other ATGs

I would question this though, because didn't Warne and Murali somewhat struggle vs the ATGs they faced, especially in comparison to pacers?

 

[Sunil1z]

I would question this though, because didn't Warne and Murali somewhat struggle vs the ATGs they faced, especially in comparison to pacers?

And Steyn didn’t?
Then why didn’t SA beat IND in 2010 and 2010/11 ?
They also failed to beat ENG at home in 2009/10

If not for Philander SA would never have got no.1 rankings

 

[ma1978]

I would question this though, because didn't Warne and Murali somewhat struggle vs the ATGs they faced, especially in comparison to pacers?

I find this sort of cherrypicking pointless and analytically unsound

 

[subshakerz]

And Steyn didn’t?
Then why didn’t SA beat IND in 2010 and 2010/11 ?
They also failed to beat ENG at home in 2009/10

If not for Philander SA would never have got no.1 rankings

Except in both those examples Steyn actually won games for SA in those series. You are expecting him to win every game which is unreasonable.

Warne and Murali were outright fails in India.

 

[Sunil1z]

Except in both those examples Steyn actually won games for SA in those series. You are expecting him to win every game which is unreasonable.

Warne and Murali were outright fails in India.

I can say the only reason he won those Tests is because IND didn’t play their full strength Team . We both are cherry picking

 

[Slifer]

The only thing I'll interject is this, if I'm facing an atg batting lineup like Australia and India had in the 2000s, given a choice of Warne or Steyn, I'm going with Steyn. We can argue stats til we're blue in the face but my gut tells me I can see Warne being ripped apart by either lineup more often and more easily than Steyn. Why does that matter? Because in these comparison situations, me personally, I'm considering how either player would do vs an atg lineup in relatively neutral conditions.

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

I can say the only reason he won those Tests is because IND didn’t play their full strength Team . We both are cherry picking

Steyn dominated near ATG batting lineups vs Ind, including peak Sehwag, Tendulkar, Gambhir, Dhoni in 2010.

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

And peak Ponting, Clarke in Aus 2008. Warne was abjectly miserable against great players of spin

 

[Sunil1z]

The only thing I'll interject is this, if I'm facing an atg batting lineup like Australia and India had in the 2000s, given a choice of Warne or Steyn, I'm going with Steyn. We can argue stats til we're blue in the face but my gut tells me I can see Warne being ripped apart by either lineup more often and more easily than Steyn. Why does that matter? Because in these comparison situations, me personally, I'm considering how either player would do vs an atg lineup in relatively neutral conditions.

So, why wasn’t Warne taken apart in AUS vs World 11 game

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

And Steyn didn’t?
Then why didn’t SA beat IND in 2010 and 2010/11 ?
They also failed to beat ENG at home in 2009/10

If not for Philander SA would never have got no.1 rankings

And beating India at home is insanely. Warne didn’t do well vs Ind in 2004 as well when his greatest nemesis was in worst form

 

[Sunil1z]

And peak Ponting, Clarke in Aus 2008. Warne was abjectly miserable against great players of spin

I don’t think you can call Pak and SL abject players of spin .