Warne vs Steyn (Test bowling)

[HouHsiaoHsien]

So, why wasn’t Warne taken apart in AUS vs World 11 game View attachment 39809View attachment 39810

Aren’t as valid as actual international game s

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

I don’t think you can call Pak and SL abject players of spin .

im not. I’m just saying he was bad against the really great ones like Tendulkar, VVS, Lara etc.

 

[Sunil1z]

Aren’t as valid as actual international game s

They are international game . Counted in stats . It is due to this match Inzamam doesn’t average 50 as Test batsman.

 

[Sunil1z]

im not. I’m just saying he was bad against the really great ones like Tendulkar, VVS, Lara etc.

Everyone is allowed few weak points .

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

Everyone is allowed few weak points .

Agreed, but that means against an ATG lineup, logical to chose Steyn above Warne

 

[subshakerz]

So, why wasn’t Warne taken apart in AUS vs World 11 game View attachment 39809View attachment 39810

Because that game was a joke. The fact you have to bring it up means you have run out of ammo.

 

[Sunil1z]

Because that game was a joke. The fact you have to bring it up means you have run out of ammo.

Why it was a joke ? That match was the closest to actual ATG game we could get .

 

[Slifer]

So, why wasn’t Warne taken apart in AUS vs World 11 game View attachment 39809View attachment 39810

It's my opinion and one game, as you know means absolutely nothing. Unlike others here though, I'm not up for this type of debate because quite frankly, either player for differing reasons is a reasonable answer. I just prefer Steyn.

 

[subshakerz]

The only thing I'll interject is this, if I'm facing an atg batting lineup like Australia and India had in the 2000s, given a choice of Warne or Steyn, I'm going with Steyn. We can argue stats til we're blue in the face but my gut tells me I can see Warne being ripped apart by either lineup more often and more easily than Steyn. Why does that matter? Because in these comparison situations, me personally, I'm considering how either player would do vs an atg lineup in relatively neutral conditions.

Yes. Of course this matters because we are looking at the ceiling in terms of damage/effectiveness either player is capable of.

 

[subshakerz]

And peak Ponting, Clarke in Aus 2008. Warne was abjectly miserable against great players of spin

Warne ended up on the worse end against Malik, Sidhu, Tendulkar, Lara, KP and others over the course of a career.

Steyn on the other hand, while taken apart at times, overall held his own against the best bats of his era.

 

[honestbharani]

I voted Steyn coz I feel he deserves the love, but I honestly do not mind either way here. They are both ATGs. One is the second best fast bowler I have ever seen and the other is the second best spinner I have ever seen. They are both awesome.

 

[Socerer 01]

Why it was a joke ? That match was the closest to actual ATG game we could get .

because even the players said so

 

[ma1978]

Warne ended up on the worse end against Malik, Sidhu, Tendulkar, Lara, KP and others over the course of a career.

Steyn on the other hand, while taken apart at times, overall held his own against the best bats of his era.

I find this sort of cherrypicking pointless and analytically unsound

 

[subshakerz]

I find this sort of cherrypicking pointless and analytically unsound

You might but we care how bowlers do against the highest quality bats against their discipline.

 

[ma1978]

You might but we care how bowlers do against the highest quality bats against their discipline.

Good use of the “Royal We”

Your comment is purely conjectural with no an analytic basis annd even if it had an annalytic basis, why does it matter whether Steyn was taken apart by high quality bats or low quality bats. He was taken apart (as has every bowler with a long enough career). His average shows it didn’t happen too often and even if it did, he had enough high moments

Similar point w Warne. He dominated enough top bats and ocassionally he didnt. Whether that’s because he wasn’t good enough or sample size who knows, what we do know is he has 700 wickets at an exceptional average for a soinner

 

[kyear2]

I find this sort of cherrypicking pointless and analytically unsound

How is it cherry picking? I rate Warne literally one place below Steyn and an undisputed top tier ATG. But it wasn't just Lara and Sachin, every competent player of spin performed fairly well vs him and Murali.

 

[subshakerz]

Good use of the “Royal We”

Your comment is purely conjectural with no an analytic basis annd even if it had an annalytic basis, why does it matter whether Steyn was taken apart by high quality bats or low quality bats. He was taken apart (as has every bowler with a long enough career). His average shows it didn’t happen too often and even if it did, he had enough high moments

Similar point w Warne. He dominated enough top bats and ocassionally he didnt. Whether that’s because he wasn’t good enough or sample size who knows, what we do know is he has 700 wickets at an exceptional average for a soinner

Except he didnt when it comes to top spin players.

 

[Sunil1z]

Except he didnt when it comes to top spin players.

Inzamam and Dravid weren’t top spin players ?

 

[shortpitched713]

If not for Philander SA would never have got no.1 rankings

Facts.

Please vote for Philander as well in the 2024 all time bowlers poll.

 

[Sunil1z]

Facts.

Please vote for Philander as well in the 2024 all time bowlers poll.

Ok Tag me when you vote .