Warne blasts Bracewell

[Richard]

The pitch in use today doesn't seem too bad at all.

Certainly doesn't.
So it's not a pressing need to get all NZ pitches to be used as drop-ins, then?
Amazing how it's possible to prepare a decent pitch on something that has rugby-players trampling all over it for half it's time... absolutely amazing.

 

[Smudge]

Certainly doesn't.
So it's not a pressing need to get all NZ pitches to be used as drop-ins, then?
Amazing how it's possible to prepare a decent pitch on something that has rugby-players trampling all over it for half it's time... absolutely amazing.

For major ODIs near rugby season and matches at Eden Park in particular, drop ins will be needed.

In regards to this pitch, the groundsman struck it lucky insomuch as there were no scrums set on the cricket block. He did have the option of the drop-in if needed.

 

[Richard]

Am I correct in thinking that the drop-in is almost always an option (for internationals) if neccessary?

 

[username1234]

We should start playing tests in queenstown.

 

[Smudge]

Am I correct in thinking that the drop-in is almost always an option (for internationals) if neccessary?

At Eden Park, Jade Stadium and Carisbrook - I believe so. Not sure about McLean Park or Hamilton.

username,

The Queenstown ground is a special place to watch cricket - it's hard to concentrate on the action in the middle with the beautiful scenery of the Remarkables ranges and the hot backpacker scenery about.

As long as they can produce a decent pitch more regularly, I would love to see a test there.

 

[anzac]

it may be because I'm not 'in Country' to get a better handle on it, but my major gripes re grounds & pitches centre around the use of dual purpose grounds at intnl level (short boundaries & angles etc), and the pitches used (drop in or not) being of a better standard than the players are regularly exposed to........

it sometimes seems to me that the NZL players have as much trouble adjusting as the tourists do - the tourists need to adjust to the slower pace, but the NZL batsmen need to adjust to slightly quicker pace & bounce, and the NZL bowlers aren't used to pitches that do not respond so much - as opposed to the opposition bowlers who have more exposure to such surfaces & hence have better skills let alone bowl better line & length..............

 

[Richard]

Yeah, that was my thinking behind maybe having all domestic games with drop-in pitches.

 

[anzac]

Yeah, that was my thinking behind maybe having all domestic games with drop-in pitches.

i think it's more than just the use of drop-ins - i believe the intnl pitches are genuinely better in pace & bounce with less seam movement..............

you play on substandard surfaces at domestic level you get substandard skills and inflated domestic stats...............and get very exposed at higher level...............

I wonder how often they'd play on a proper Day 4 / 5 pitch, and if this has some contribution to their Day 4 2nd innings collapses?????

 

[anzac]

so far as the dual purpose grounds go - fine use them for intnl ODIs re crowd capacities & facilities etc, but not for the longer games at FC or Intnl levels................crowds aren't a factor so much going on current evidence ...............

develop the specialist grounds (both pitch standards & facilities) & then use them - forget the travelling roadshows by the State teams - IMO if the pitches are good & the subsequent skills & competition are there then people will go to watch.............as opposed to the current scenarios..........

 

[biased indian]

what right does some drug cheat have to make comments like these?. warne had his fair share of controversies's over the year's and he's copped little slack for them. if i was him i would just shut my mouth.

what i think i sthat he want to remain in thespotlight some how if its not playing he will have some thing else!!!

 

[Richard]

i think it's more than just the use of drop-ins - i believe the intnl pitches are genuinely better in pace & bounce with less seam movement..............

Yeah, I thought it was easy to give drop-ins more pace and bounce than rugby-pitch-square ones...?

you play on substandard surfaces at domestic level you get substandard skills and inflated domestic stats...............and get very exposed at higher level...............

I wonder how often they'd play on a proper Day 4 / 5 pitch, and if this has some contribution to their Day 4 2nd innings collapses?????

Exactly.
But I'd have thought drop-in pitches in domestic games might help solve those problems in a big way.

 

[username1234]

Exactly.
But I'd have thought drop-in pitches in domestic games might help solve those problems in a big way.

Yeah if they can afford it.

 

[Richard]

And that's where the real problem is.
Of course, it's another of those cases of "can they afford to? Can they afford not to?"

 

[Tim]

There is no way NZ cricket could afford to do that.

As it stands they're playing the majority of cricket in pokey unknown areas of New Zealand. Time & time again the players have been complaining about the substandard pitches.

Only Wellington & N.D get the use of the Basin Reserve & Westpac Park respectively.
If NZ want their domestic players playing better cricket then they've got to try and get more games on the Jade Stadium wicket or even the Carisbrook ground in Dunedin.

 

[Richard]

It's always amazed me how few matches get played at Carisbrook.

 

[Tim]

The Carisbrook wicket has been a belter for years, yet for some stupid reason Otago aren't playing matches there anymore..probably Rugby. They've now got their home games at the University oval where the scores have consistently been below 200.

The Jade Stadium wicket this week was superb, but Canterbury haven't played a match there for 2 years now.

The NZC must somehow get the domestic players back onto good wickets.

 

[anzac]

There is no way NZ cricket could afford to do that.

As it stands they're playing the majority of cricket in pokey unknown areas of New Zealand. Time & time again the players have been complaining about the substandard pitches.

Only Wellington & N.D get the use of the Basin Reserve & Westpac Park respectively.
If NZ want their domestic players playing better cricket then they've got to try and get more games on the Jade Stadium wicket or even the Carisbrook ground in Dunedin.

the 1st thing they should do is to forget about the 'travelling roadshow' until those pitches are up to the current domestic standard at least..............

then concentrate on playing as many games as possible on the best surfaces and develop the dedicated venues..............

semi-final games etc for the Shield should also be played on the best surfaces, and 'trial' type games such as the Nth - Sth match could go on 'tour' to venues such as Carisbrook, Jade etc..........

ideally I'd want to see them getting away from playing at the rugby venues, but not at the expence of quality pitches.............

 

[anzac]

The Carisbrook wicket has been a belter for years, yet for some stupid reason Otago aren't playing matches there anymore..probably Rugby. They've now got their home games at the University oval where the scores have consistently been below 200.

The Jade Stadium wicket this week was superb, but Canterbury haven't played a match there for 2 years now.

The NZC must somehow get the domestic players back onto good wickets.

seems to validate my earlier post re the players not getting the exposure at domestic level to the best pitches until they play intnl matches.................

 

[Richard Rash]

Warne nees a bullet IMO

 

[Smudge]

The Carisbrook wicket has been a belter for years, yet for some stupid reason Otago aren't playing matches there anymore..probably Rugby. They've now got their home games at the University oval where the scores have consistently been below 200.

The Jade Stadium wicket this week was superb, but Canterbury haven't played a match there for 2 years now.

The NZC must somehow get the domestic players back onto good wickets.

Not a particularly stupid reason - it was becoming more and more difficult for them to get access to Carisbrook thanks to the self-serving actions of the ORFU. Hence them setting up a dedicated cricket venue. Isn't that what we all want? Give this pitch time, it will improve.

As for the pitch, it was at its best when Mark Perham was down here - hasn't quite been the same since he left.