Viv Richards vs steve smith

[capt_Luffy]

I think subs means in compared to other ATGs from past eras, not the Fab 4 (he only rates Smith as an ATG)

The main problem doesn't changes really. It's not he never scored in these countries away, he has a good to ATG tour in most tough countries; it's his sheer ineptness to score anywhere in the last 5 years.

 

[govinda indian fan]

The main problem doesn't changes really. It's not he never scored in these countries away, he has a good to ATG tour in most tough countries; it's his sheer ineptness to score anywhere in the last 5 years.

He still wants tour england what waste of a legacy

 

[subshakerz]

The main problem doesn't changes really. It's not he never scored in these countries away, he has a good to ATG tour in most tough countries; it's his sheer ineptness to score anywhere in the last 5 years.

I think it's fair to say he may end up with an average that doesn't reflect the player he is, but at the end of the day if he ends up with a sub 40 average away, yes regardless if it's imbalanced towards England, it will be quite a damning stat.

 

[capt_Luffy]

I think it's fair to say he may end up with an average that doesn't reflect the player he is, but at the end of the day if he ends up with a sub 40 average away, yes regardless if it's imbalanced towards England, it will be quite a damning stat.

As I said, it will be. But the problem of his isn't really with away matches, as the average might suggest, but everywhere over the last 5 years.

 

[Johan]

1.don
2.sachin
3.hobbs
4.viv
5.sobers
6.smith
7.lara
8.hutton
9.Hammond
10.kallis

Hutton owns Smith

 

[Kirkut]

If macsweeny was there it would have been 40-1 and aus would made just over 350 and who knows ind might have won the match.

What?

 

[Kirkut]

it's hard to know if it made the difference. I remember Sehwag scored a run a ball double hundred in SL and India still lost the test match.

Considering the form India's batsmen were in, that innings was certainly not the defining factor. In fact the bowlers were forced to overperform due to batters flopping.

On that double hundred you're referring to, India won the game in Galle and that 200 is believed to be his best ever test knock.

 

[subshakerz]

As I said, it will be. But the problem of his isn't really with away matches, as the average might suggest, but everywhere over the last 5 years.

Sure but that also means that unlike say Ponting he didn't dominate away consistently enough in his prime to the degree to still be overall impressive even after decline.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Sure but that also means that unlike say Ponting he didn't dominate away consistently enough in his prime to the degree to still be overall impressive even after decline.

Nahhhhh. He was better away in prime than Ponting. He had a much better decline

 

[Johan]

Smith is still not better than Viv

 

[Victor Ian]

Is it close? What if Smith starts chewing gum?

 

[Johan]

Is it close? What if Smith starts chewing gum?

He'd look like a chump

 

[subshakerz]

Nahhhhh. He was better away in prime than Ponting. He had a much better decline

Yeah his decline has been worse

 

[Coronis]

Then who is greatest match winner according to you and also what is stupidest thing i ever said can you plz mention

Only looking at specialists here for a more fair comparison… top two candidates off the top of my head..


Bradman is a candidate. In only 4 out of the 30 matches he won, he didn’t make a 50. (one of them he was injured during the opponent’s first innings and didn’t bat)

Murali would be the other candidate. In only 4 of the 54 matches he won he took less than 5 wickets. (only 6 of the 54 matches he took his wickets at an average of 30+)

 

[_00_deathscar]

Lol putting that innings as "Series defining/changing" is the epitome of nonsense. They score 89 in 30 overs, the Bumrah initial threat is dealt with. ****ing McSweeney did just that in the very 2nd match!!! Survived the initial onslaught and then Head went boom. Do you really have such a bad memory???

He doesn’t have a bad memory, he just doesn’t actually watch test cricket except on scorecard sheet sheets

 

[_00_deathscar]

fixed

All three should be expunged from the record for fixing

 

[subshakerz]

Only looking at specialists here for a more fair comparison… top two candidates off the top of my head..


Bradman is a candidate. In only 4 out of the 30 matches he won, he didn’t make a 50. (one of them he was injured during the opponent’s first innings and didn’t bat)

Murali would be the other candidate. In only 4 of the 54 matches he won he took less than 5 wickets. (only 6 of the 54 matches he took his wickets at an average of 30+)

The idea of a matchwinning batsman is itself a stretch, Bradman aside.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Only looking at specialists here for a more fair comparison… top two candidates off the top of my head..


Bradman is a candidate. In only 4 out of the 30 matches he won, he didn’t make a 50. (one of them he was injured during the opponent’s first innings and didn’t bat)

Murali would be the other candidate. In only 4 of the 54 matches he won he took less than 5 wickets. (only 6 of the 54 matches he took his wickets at an average of 30+)

Hadlee was involved in 22 wins. In 18 of them he took atleast 6 wickets. In the remaining four he had:
- A spell of 4-33 in the first innings vs SL
- A spell of 4-65 in the second innings vs India
- 4 wickets in the match and 33 runs vs Australia
- 0 wickets vs England but an important innings of 75

NZ won 0 of the 14 tests Hadlee missed in his career. 6 losses, 8 draws.

 

[Coronis]

The idea of a matchwinning batsman is itself a stretch, Bradman aside.

Not really

 

[Coronis]

Hadlee was involved in 22 wins. In 18 of them he took atleast 6 wickets. In the remaining four he had:
- A spell of 4-33 in the first innings vs SL
- A spell of 4-65 in the second innings vs India
- 4 wickets in the match and 33 runs vs Australia
- 0 wickets vs England but an important innings of 75

NZ won 0 of the 14 tests Hadlee missed in his career. 6 losses, 8 draws.

Yeah Hadlee also popped to mind but I wanted to stick with specialists for a more direct comparison.