Fair enough. We'll agree to disagree, I certainly respect your posts and enjoy reading them, but you do have some crazy views sometimes!silentstriker said:Don't mind me, I'm probably just overcompensating for some other shortcomings.
In seriousness, maybe its overboard accusing him from being a tool and I truly do feel sympathy for someone with a legitimate problem. But I just don't like his constant in and out of the team.
But, I make no apologies re: Brett Lee. It's the ASHES man!
Their records stood out when you compared them to anyone elses in FC cricket.Owais Shah for example has been the best player in the domestic circuit for the last 5 years. Rob Key broke a few records in the 2004 season. The fact is that the only players with better records in county cricket are hick, ramprakash and crawley and none of them have a future with England.Woodster said:Yes, they had decent FC records, exactly what I was saying, they didnt stand out. They have since improved as players in the Test set up. .
Who is though? That is my point. When you have to choose amongst mediocrity you choose the best of the pack, regardless of whether their records are earth shattering or not. With regards to Jones i think he was picked too early anyways, but yes Jones is one case where they picked him based on seeing him bowl rather than his record. I think almost everyone who saw him bowl at the time was highly impressed not surprisingly, however i think at the time when he was picked along with Harmison, they were both picked because they could bowl at 90 mph rather than for their other attributes. Certainly when you look at Fletchers selections since then(Mahmood and Plunkett), its fairly obvious that he picks them on speed and height rather than variety and accuracy.Woodster said:When you say NO Jones wasn't picked from relative obscurity, are you referring to the 2001 season where he took 17 wickets at 52.17 ???? Or when he took 34 wickets by the end of the season in 2002 (His debut was in July!) at an average of 27.91. (10 wicks in 2000 at 37.40!) If these are extremely good stats at the time, I am one thankful England supporter that you have nothing to do with selection!!
We are obviously not going to agree, I agree that some of the candidates had decent FC records, but my point (again) is they were not exactly breaking the door down and setting the Championship alight! Thinks thats fair.