Top 50 Greatest test batters

[capt_Luffy]

Best ever after Bradman and Hobbs tbh

And Tendulkar, so don't really disagree there.

 

[Johan]

And Tendulkar, so don't really disagree there.

 

[Johan]

ngl I don't think Chanders makes top 10 English, Australian or Carribean Batsmen

 

[subshakerz]

ngl I don't think Chanders makes top 10 English, Australian or Carribean Batsmen

Yeah.

Kimbers also says he cares about openers in swinging conditions but Gavaskar wasn't that great in England. And Kimbers also acknowledges he was ordinary against the best WI attack.

 

[subshakerz]

Kimber makes the same point I do about Tendulkar vs Hobbs, Tendulkar is more rounded and tested across conditions and attacks.

 

[Johan]

Meh, Hobbs and Bradman are the honoured ones. Only two to have completely transcended an era.

 

[Johan]

also, if greatness is the measure, Doctor Grace is definitely much higher.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Yeah.

Kimbers also says he cares about openers in swinging conditions but Gavaskar wasn't that great in England. And Kimbers also acknowledges he was ordinary against the best WI attack.

He kinda rates peak and Gavaskar has an ATG series in England though. And I don't really think his Record vs the best WI pacers was "ordinary" really.

 

[Johan]

Gooch: 45
Crowe: 45
Gavaskar: 42
Boycott: 41
Border: 39

was what I got against best pacers of WI.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Gooch: 45
Crowe: 45
Gavaskar: 42
Boycott: 41
Border: 39

was what I got against best pacers of WI.

I mean, Gooch was the best to them and I will place Crowe ahead as well. Boycott and Border also have good cases. Also, Wasim Raja averages like 56 over 10 Tests. Really underrated record against WI, arguably the best.

 

[DrWolverine]

, Hobbs is unarguably the best after bradman.

No

 

[capt_Luffy]

No

Yep. It's *inarguably*

 

[Johan]

Hobbs definitely has the best case after Bradman, the fact is that in every generation the top bats have averaged about the same, 1-2 point gaps at most, the only two exceptions are The Boy from Buwral who was averaging 99 when other top bats were averaging 50-60, and The Master who was averaging 58 when others were averaging 30-40.

 

[subshakerz]

also, if greatness is the measure, Doctor Grace is definitely much higher.

He makes the same critique others do about Viv, not as great after peak.

Smith he argues with another good few years can end up higher.

Lara he says didn't have Tendulkars consistency.

Meh, Hobbs and Bradman are the honoured ones. Only two to have completely transcended an era.

I see Bradman, Tendulkar, Hobbs the same way Kimber does. A confirmed top three, the rest arguable.

 

[subshakerz]

Hobbs definitely has the best case after Bradman, the fact is that in every generation the top bats have averaged about the same, 1-2 point gaps at most, the only two exceptions are Donald Bradman who was averaging 99 when other top bats were averaging 50-60, and John Berry Hobbs who was averaging 58 when others were averaging 30-40.

He has a very good case. Kimber talks about how desperately he tried to find some footage to see his technique to compare with other bats but no luck. Tendulkar faced many great tests in terms of great bowlers and conditions and reasonable folks can say he was better tested. We can see with our own eyes his technique and adaptability was beyond any other bat.

 

[Johan]

I see Bradman, Tendulkar, Hobbs the same way Kimber does. A confirmed top three, the rest arguable.

My view is that Bradman is 1, Hobbs is 2, 3 is where Sachin/Viv/Hutton/Sobers/Smith all can fight it out

 

[Johan]

He has a very good case. Kimber talks about how desperately he tried to find some footage to see his technique to compare with other bats but no luck. Tendulkar faced many great tests in terms of great bowlers and conditions and reasonable folks can say he was better tested. We can see with our own eyes his technique and adaptability was beyond any other bat.

I really rate what Hobbs did on literal unplayable wickets but I think we've had this discussion enough times and I'm not particularly interested in this anymore.

 

[subshakerz]

My view is that Bradman is 1, Hobbs is 2, 3 is where Sachin/Viv/Hutton/Sobers/Smith all can fight it out

It will always be hard for a serious analyst like Kimber to put someone that high who can't be watched. Sorry.

 

[Johan]

I mean, Gooch was the best to them and I will place Crowe ahead as well. Boycott and Border also have good cases. Also, Wasim Raja averages like 56 over 10 Tests. Really underrated record against WI, arguably the best.

Boycott and Gavaskar have an eearily similar record against West Indies, I think I'd take Boyc's by a small margin.

 

[subshakerz]

I really rate what Hobbs did on literal unplayable wickets but I think we've had this discussion enough times and I'm not particularly interested in this anymore.

I know.