Tony Greig vs Trevor Goddard

[sayon basak]

The better cricketer overall?

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Kallis then Faulkner then Procter then Shaun Pollock then Clive Rice then Eddie Barlow then these two

 

[sayon basak]

Kallis then Faulkner then Procter then Shaun Pollock then Clive Rice then Eddie Barlow then these two

I rate Pollock a bit higher as a cricketer, and Procter higher than Faulkner. Agree with the rest.

SA had a great collection of All rounders it seems.

 

[sayon basak]

6 year career vs 16 year career.

Nice.

 

[Bolo.]

6 year career vs 16 year career.

Nice.

Clearly Goddard even without this.

Front line bowler and opening bat.

 

[Dendarii]

SA had a great collection of All rounders it seems.

You could put together a batting line-up that doesn't have anyone really batting out of position.

Eddie Barlow
Trevor Goddard
Jacques Kallis
Hansie Cronje
Aubrey Faulkner
Clive Rice
Brian McMillan
Mike Procter
Shaun Pollock

Throw in Andrew Hall as the keeper (he kept wicket in one ODI) and Lance Klusener (didn't quite perform in tests but did in ODIs and first-class) and you've got an entire team of genuine all-rounders.

 

[Prince EWS]

You could put together a batting line-up that doesn't have anyone really batting out of position.

Eddie Barlow
Trevor Goddard
Jacques Kallis
Hansie Cronje
Aubrey Faulkner
Clive Rice
Brian McMillan
Mike Procter
Shaun Pollock

Throw in Andrew Hall as the keeper (he kept wicket in one ODI) and Lance Klusener (didn't quite perform in tests but did in ODIs and first-class) and you've got an entire team of genuine all-rounders.

I know Faulkner makes it unncessary, but South Africa's allrounder history doesn't feel complete in this eleven without some decent FC top order batting allrounder being used as a specialist spinner at #9 or #10. Nicky Boje, Pat Symcox and Justin Ontong demand representation.

 

[capt_Luffy]

If we are counting Rice, then Kourie should qualify as well..... Also, SA have a staggering number of specialist batsmen who were very fine keepers (ofcourse de Villiers, but also Lee Irvine and Russell Endean), but will take Hall here for batting - bowling allrounder thingy


Eddie Barlow*
Trevor Goddard
Aubrey Faulkner
Jacques Kallis
Dave Nourse
Clive Rice**
Brian McMillan
Mike Procter
Shaun Pollock
Alan Kourie
Andrew Hall+

 

[Dendarii]

I forgot about Kourie (I've tried this before and I was sure there was someone missing), but absolutely if Rice counts then so does he.

 

[Coronis]

Ahh its so sad. The what-ifs. SA definitely dominates the 70’s if they were a normal nation playing a normal schedule. I think the Windies surpass them at some point in the 80’s, but its a much shorter reign between SA and Aus.

 

[Line and Length]

I'm not sure this Player Comparison is necessarily given 20 odd voters put Greig marginally ahead in the All Rounder Poll. A lot is made of Greig's relative short career. In fact "6 year career vs 16 year career" has been put forward as a case for Goddard.
I would respectfully point out that, in those 6 years, Greig played 58 Tests, scored 8 centuries and twice took 10 wickets in a match. By comparison, in 16 years Goddard played only 41 Tests, made just 1 century and never had 10 wickets in a match.

 

[sayon basak]

I'm not sure this Player Comparison is necessarily given 20 odd voters put Greig marginally ahead in the All Rounder Poll. A lot is made of Greig's relative short career. In fact "6 year career vs 16 year career" has been put forward as a case for Goddard.
I would respectfully point out that, in those 6 years, Greig played 58 Tests, scored 8 centuries and twice took 10 wickets in a match. By comparison, in 16 years Goddard played only 41 Tests, made just 1 century and never had 10 wickets in a match.

This Playercomparison asks who is the better "cricketer", not just test all rounder.

And Goddard was an opener and a Frontline bowler for the team. And I wouldn't blame Goddard for the fact that England played a lot of test. If Joe Root ends up with 200 matches in, let's say, 17 years, then am I gonna say that his career length was the same as Sachin's?

And Goddard is definitely the better bowler imo. Played almost all of his matches against England and Australia and performed really good against them.

 

[Line and Length]

This Playercomparison asks who is the better "cricketer", not just test all rounder.

And Goddard was an opener and a Frontline bowler for the team. And I wouldn't blame Goddard for the fact that England played a lot of test. If Joe Root ends up with 200 matches in, let's say, 17 years, then am I gonna say that his career length was the same as Sachin's?

A very fair point. I was comparing them as Test all rounders where Greig was more efficient in his short career than Goddard.

However, I have to concede, at a first class level, Goddard was far more valuable, both with bat and ball, than Greg.

 

[Coronis]

I'm not sure this Player Comparison is necessarily given 20 odd voters put Greig marginally ahead in the All Rounder Poll. A lot is made of Greig's relative short career. In fact "6 year career vs 16 year career" has been put forward as a case for Goddard.
I would respectfully point out that, in those 6 years, Greig played 58 Tests, scored 8 centuries and twice took 10 wickets in a match. By comparison, in 16 years Goddard played only 41 Tests, made just 1 century and never had 10 wickets in a match.

I’m shocked that a South African playing in the late 50’s and the 60’s wasn’t playing many tests relative to other nations.

 

[Prince EWS]

I’m shocked that a South African playing in the late 50’s and the 60’s wasn’t playing many tests relative to other nations.

Also applies to Greig tbf

 

[sayon basak]

A very fair point. I was comparing them as Test all rounders where Greig was more efficient in his short career than Goddard.

However, I have to concede, at a first class level, Goddard was far more valuable, both with bat and ball, than Greg.

I also consider Goddard the way better bowler. Played almost all of his matches against Australia and England, and had a great output against them. Greig's bowling average would drop to 36 if we exclude NZ (against whom he got one of his 10'fers).

And Greig is the better batter, but Goddard opened the bat and had to face the new ball.
And when we consider overall record, Greig's record suggest that he played all of his test career at peak as he has a sub 30 batting average in non-test FC matches. Goddard has a much longer career span and his FC record is consistent with his test record.

And I didn't have any evil motive while making the poll. Just wanted to see who's rated higher (I didn't vote any of them, just saw both were voted by a lot of people) and what were the arguments.

 

[Prince EWS]

Yeah in that round of LL voting lots of people didn't vote for either of them, some people voted for both of them, and the scoring system also made it relative to whether people rated them higher than other players as well. It's not the same as a head to head, especially since the question is also slightly different. Thread is fine.

 

[sayon basak]

Travis head and Glenn Philips have a very similar bowling action.

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

That's the 10th six.

 

[Prince EWS]

That's the 10th six.

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