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The Cosy Club crumbling ??? . . . Indian Apex court out to set BCCI's house in order
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Apart from everything else, the most concerning point for me is that India Cements employees shouldn't be involved in BCCI.
Does that mean that Dhoni can't play for India anymore?
Does that mean that Dhoni can't play for India anymore?
Shri
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He cried on tv and ****.>_>
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If it affects players he could just resign.
SJS
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Of course, Dhoni can relinquish his position as Vice President in India Cements but he has a bigger issue to face. He openly declared that Maiyappan was just a cricket enthusiast and had nothing to do with the administration of CSK. This has proven to be wrong and Meiyappan has been convicted. The prosecution lawyer, yesterday brought out this point in the Supreme court and stated that Dhoni had tried to provide a cover to Meiyappan. Salwe has tweeted . . .
Dhoni involved in cover-up to save Meiyappan: Harish Salve : Cricket, News - India Today
So Dhoni faces more than just conflict of interest issues.
Gavaskar too has lots of conflict of interest problems. Everyone knows that he has steadfastly stood for whatever BCCI did and stated. He has never criticised them on anything and never more obviously than his support of the stand against DRS although thats not all. BCCI might be very glad to have him as interim president for they know Gavaskar has just one boss . . . his financial interests and that BCCI can always look after. They will just present token resistance to Gavaskar for agreeing openly to Gavaskar will strengthen the tongues that are already wagging against Gavaskar's taking over not being a good solution.
It is a very sad situation that most of those who could be said to have the credentials to handle cricketing matters have had their credibilities eroded thanks to the surrender to financial interests. The only solution lies in the corporatisation of the BCCI and appointing of professionals to look after administration. The problem with ICC's steps in this direction was not that the 'managers' appointed were not fit for the jobs but that the "Board of Directors' (read the members countries) also behave, by and large, like BCCI, putting money before the long term interests of the game. Although there is one difference between them and BCCI. While they are putting the overall game of cricket second and the financial health of the cricket setup in their own countries first - BCCI puts the personal financial interests of those running the game first even though they all are fighting, tooth and nails and more ferociously that any cats on the planet just to serve the game in their 'honorary' capacities'.
The rot runs very deep and it is not going to be easy. People like Dravid realise this and are likely to stay away from coming forward to take up the job (I hope they don't but . . .) because, as in most such situations in our part of the world, the coterie of crooks always comes back to power in the end and all those who had stood up against them are possible candidates for vendetta.
It is only those who, if thrown out by 'Cricket India' (just a term for administration of the game in this country), have alternative careers to go to run the administration and the technical side (accounts, legal etc) of the running of the game, will we see a change. The cricketers like Dravid, Kumble, Srinath etc much ne involved only in those aspects where their expertise is necessary. It is as selectors, coaches, talent scouts, technical committee members that cricketers should be involved. To think of cricketers as the best administrators is as silly as expecting politicians or millionaires to be the most suited for the job.
We had Maharaja's running the game once, and they did not need the money, yet they were rotten administrators. Then we had businessmen, the modern maharajas, and they were no better. Then came a combo of businessmen and politicians, that was the worst possible as far as vested interests go. Cricketers are no better. Of course, there are those who stand out as being out of pressure groups but firstly it is difficult to say which and secondly most succumb finally.
Lets not go for solutions that will be not much different from what we are trying to change for that will just bring back the politicians and the wheeler dealers.
Dhoni involved in cover-up to save Meiyappan: Harish Salve : Cricket, News - India Today
So Dhoni faces more than just conflict of interest issues.
Gavaskar too has lots of conflict of interest problems. Everyone knows that he has steadfastly stood for whatever BCCI did and stated. He has never criticised them on anything and never more obviously than his support of the stand against DRS although thats not all. BCCI might be very glad to have him as interim president for they know Gavaskar has just one boss . . . his financial interests and that BCCI can always look after. They will just present token resistance to Gavaskar for agreeing openly to Gavaskar will strengthen the tongues that are already wagging against Gavaskar's taking over not being a good solution.
It is a very sad situation that most of those who could be said to have the credentials to handle cricketing matters have had their credibilities eroded thanks to the surrender to financial interests. The only solution lies in the corporatisation of the BCCI and appointing of professionals to look after administration. The problem with ICC's steps in this direction was not that the 'managers' appointed were not fit for the jobs but that the "Board of Directors' (read the members countries) also behave, by and large, like BCCI, putting money before the long term interests of the game. Although there is one difference between them and BCCI. While they are putting the overall game of cricket second and the financial health of the cricket setup in their own countries first - BCCI puts the personal financial interests of those running the game first even though they all are fighting, tooth and nails and more ferociously that any cats on the planet just to serve the game in their 'honorary' capacities'.
The rot runs very deep and it is not going to be easy. People like Dravid realise this and are likely to stay away from coming forward to take up the job (I hope they don't but . . .) because, as in most such situations in our part of the world, the coterie of crooks always comes back to power in the end and all those who had stood up against them are possible candidates for vendetta.
It is only those who, if thrown out by 'Cricket India' (just a term for administration of the game in this country), have alternative careers to go to run the administration and the technical side (accounts, legal etc) of the running of the game, will we see a change. The cricketers like Dravid, Kumble, Srinath etc much ne involved only in those aspects where their expertise is necessary. It is as selectors, coaches, talent scouts, technical committee members that cricketers should be involved. To think of cricketers as the best administrators is as silly as expecting politicians or millionaires to be the most suited for the job.
We had Maharaja's running the game once, and they did not need the money, yet they were rotten administrators. Then we had businessmen, the modern maharajas, and they were no better. Then came a combo of businessmen and politicians, that was the worst possible as far as vested interests go. Cricketers are no better. Of course, there are those who stand out as being out of pressure groups but firstly it is difficult to say which and secondly most succumb finally.
Lets not go for solutions that will be not much different from what we are trying to change for that will just bring back the politicians and the wheeler dealers.
SJS
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This is an opportunity to set the running of the game in the country right. It would be a great tragedy if it were squandered by making token changes in personnel. The entire set up needs to be over-hauled and it is not too difficult to do that. It just needs the realisation that nothing less will work.
SJS
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Here is a timeline of this scandal. We need to ask ourselves how many questions remain unanswered and whether anyone, ANYONE BCCI, ICC, Gavaskar, Shastri, Bhogle, Shashank Manohar, Dalmiya, Dravid, Kumble, Srinath, (keep adding who you want that seems to matter) has ever raised these questions. Lets raise them here . . .
- May 16, 2013
Three Rajasthan players - S Sreesanth, Ankeet Chavan and Ajit Chandila - are arrested on charges of spot-fixing.
BCCI suspended all three with immediate effect. Delhi Police showed the footage from games in which the three bowlers agreed to concede runs for exchange of money in a pre-arranged deal. The arrest of RR players followed several raids and arrests, including a former RR player turned bookie Amit Singh and former Vidarbha player Baburao Yadav.
- May 21, 2013
Police arrests small-time Bollywood actor Vindoo Dara Singh for his links with bookies.
- May 23, 2013
The Mumbai Police summons Meiyappan for his links with bookies through Vindoo.
- May 24, 2013
Meiyappan finally appears before Mumbai Police, followed by his arrest.
That followed a knee-jerk reaction from India Cements and CSK, who deleted all mentions of Meiyappan from their documents, while denying that he was never the CSK Team Prinicipal, though he was often seen sitting in the team's dug-out and his accreditation card showed him as Team Prinicipal. Srinivasan called Meiyappan as just a "cricket enthusiasts" as the BCCI suspended him.
- June 2, 2013
BCCI concludes that Srinivasan should "step aside" until the investigations are completed as the board appoints its own two-member committee of retired judges T Jayaram Chowta and T Balasubramainan to look into the allegations.
- June 6, 2013
Delhi Police says Rajasthan Royals' co-owner Raj Kundra has confessed to betting. The BCCI suspends Kundra from the IPL pending inquiry.
- June 11, 2013
Sreesanth and Chavan get bail from a Delhi court. On the same day, BCCI's Anti-Corruption and Security officer Ravi Sawani submits his interim report.
- July 28, 2013
BCCI's two-member committee of retired judges Chowta and Subramaniam finds nothing against CSK, RR, Kundra and India Cements. That allowed Srinivasan to return as the BCCI president.
- July 30, 2013
Cricket Association of Bihar chief Aditya Verma files a PIL against the BCCI in the Bombay High Court. The HC rules the BCCI's two-member probe panel as unconstitutional according to the BCCI constitution.
- August 5, 2013
BCCI files a Special Leave Petition (SLP) in the Supreme Court against the Bombay High Court's decision.
The grounds of BCCI's SLP was that they are a private body, which holds HC's verdict untrue. The same was admitted by the SC two days later.
- August 30, 2013
Supreme Court sends notices to Rajasthan Royals, India Cements and BCCI based on Verma's PIL.
- September 9, 2013
Chandila gets bail.
- September 13, 2013
BCCI bans accused RR players.
Sreesanth and Chavan were slapped with life bans and Amit Singh banned for five years. Siddhath Trivedi, who was found guilty of not reporting an approach for spot-fixing, was banned for one year. Spinner Harmeet Singh was cleared with no evidence against him.
- September 29, 2013
Supreme Court permits Srinivasan to contest BCCI elections, but stops him from assuming BCCI office, pending the probe.
- October 7, 2014
Supreme Court appoints a Justice Mukul Mudgal-led commission to look into the IPL controversy. The commission also included N Nageshwar Rao, Nilay Dutta besides Mudgal himself.
- February 10, 2014
The Mudal commission submits its report to the Supreme Court.
It found Meiyappan involved in betting. But the biggest shock was that it named a few India players involved in the scandal, including one who was part of the 2011 World Cup squad. The names were not disclosed and kept under wraps in a sealed envelope in court's custody. Court was adjourned until March 7.
- March 7, 2014
BCCI files an affidavit admitting Meiyappan was part of the CSK franchise as an 'official'.
But the board held firm against the suspension of Chennai franchise on the basis that the franchise agreement talks about the wrongdoings of an 'owner' and not an 'official'. The envelope remained sealed as the SC adjourned the matter until March 25.
- March 25, 2014
The Supreme Court suggests the BCCI that Srinivasan should step down to allow a fair probe into the IPL scandal, calling it 'nauseating' with Srinivasan as BCCI head. The court gives BCCI two days' time to decide, but Srinivasan refuses to budge and decides to fight a legal battle.
- March 27, 2014
The Supreme Court proposed the BCCI that Sunil Gavaskar should be named as the interim chief of the Indian cricket board and Chennai Super Kings and Rajasthan Royals suspended from IPL 7.
uvelocity
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lol. i'll give you laxman.
SJS
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I don't know how many people noticed the scepticism that was implied by the ?? marks in the title to this thread. Lets see if that was justified . . .
Here is some breaking news still coming in . . .
1. Sunil Gavaskar will be the interim President of BCCI only for managing affairs of IPL: SC (Sources : Times of India , Indian Express)
2. IPL matches of season 7 to go on as per schedule (with RR and CSK): SC (Sources : Times of India , Indian Express)
3. Dhoni has been wrongly vilified by media after Thursday’sproceedings in which false allegations were levelled against him, BCCI to SC. (Sources : Times of India , Indian Express)
4. Except players and commentators, no other employee of India Cements or its subsidiary or associate companies will participate in any duties: SC
5. Gavaskar to decide whether Sundar Raman, CEO of IPL, shall continue or some other person has to be engaged: SC
6. For non-IPL BCCI affairs, Shivlal Yadav will take charge: SC
7. SC refuses to pass any order for allowing N Srinivasan to participate in activities of ICC.
8. Gavaskar to be compensated for the job of interim president by BCCI: SC
9. SC asks Gavaskar to get out of contractual obligations with BCCI for commentary.
watch this space
Here is some breaking news still coming in . . .
1. Sunil Gavaskar will be the interim President of BCCI only for managing affairs of IPL: SC (Sources : Times of India , Indian Express)
2. IPL matches of season 7 to go on as per schedule (with RR and CSK): SC (Sources : Times of India , Indian Express)
3. Dhoni has been wrongly vilified by media after Thursday’sproceedings in which false allegations were levelled against him, BCCI to SC. (Sources : Times of India , Indian Express)
4. Except players and commentators, no other employee of India Cements or its subsidiary or associate companies will participate in any duties: SC
5. Gavaskar to decide whether Sundar Raman, CEO of IPL, shall continue or some other person has to be engaged: SC
6. For non-IPL BCCI affairs, Shivlal Yadav will take charge: SC
7. SC refuses to pass any order for allowing N Srinivasan to participate in activities of ICC.
8. Gavaskar to be compensated for the job of interim president by BCCI: SC
9. SC asks Gavaskar to get out of contractual obligations with BCCI for commentary.
watch this space
G.I.Joe
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Lol at the gullibility.
The India Cements Limited
Conflicts of interest arise when people choose to create interests that conflict with what they should really have been doing. The difference between Dhoni and Dravid is that one of them had the sense to keep his mouth shut.
Shri
Mr. Glass
Ganguly is a **** but he has integrity.
G.I.Joe
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The BCCI has pulled a fast one on the court, IMO. Gavaskar is Board President in name, but his responsibilities are limited to the IPL. Shivlal Yadav is in charge of all non-IPL activities. Reforming the BCCI would have required the court overseeing the latter. Gavaskar is just an interim appointment and he'll be restricted to 'organizing' the IPL. He'll want to resume his cushy job as on-air expert after the **** blows over, and so will play it safe. Not that I'd blame him for it. I'd have done the same 
. Business will continue as usual at the BCCI. Different names, same ****..
. Business will continue as usual at the BCCI. Different names, same ****..
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SJS
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There is a superb article in today's Indian Express by its Editor-inChief, Shekhar Gupta, who in my opinion is India's foremost journalist by a long mile. I give the link below for those interested but it really covers the rights and wrongs of the Apex Court's 'activism'. However, Shekhar Gupta writes a marvellous post script to the piece which should delight everyone on CW. Here it is. Do not miss the tongue-in-cheel last sentence
Postscript: By the way, there is a special upside for the cricket lover in the SC’s activism. They have taken Sunil Gavaskar out of the commentary box. Can that reform be made permanent? We love his batting, but his commentary is as inexplicably dreary as his 36 not out in 174 balls against England in the 1975 World Cup at, where else, but Lord’s. Please also check with Srinivas Venkataraghavan, the unfortunate captain of that side.
The full piece which might be of more interest to Indian members I suspect.
Gently, Your Lordships
SJS
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While on Gavaskar, Gupta in the article linked above also makes a very interesting point . . . on conflict of interestThere is a superb article in today's Indian Express by its Editor-inChief, Shekhar Gupta, who in my opinion is India's foremost journalist by a long mile. I give the link below for those interested but it really covers the rights and wrongs of the Apex Court's 'activism'. However, Shekhar Gupta writes a marvellous post script to the piece which should delight everyone on CW. Here it is. Do not miss the tongue-in-cheel last sentence
Postscript: By the way, there is a special upside for the cricket lover in the SC’s activism. They have taken Sunil Gavaskar out of the commentary box. Can that reform be made permanent? We love his batting, but his commentary is as inexplicably dreary as his 36 not out in 174 balls against England in the 1975 World Cup at, where else, but Lord’s. Please also check with Srinivas Venkataraghavan, the unfortunate captain of that side.
The full piece which might be of more interest to Indian members I suspect.
Gently, Your Lordships
. . . This paper, on its front page on Friday, had carried a story on some conflicts of interest that Gavaskar has with the BCCI. The judges have tried to address that by asking him to “get out of” his contracts. But I am not sure if Gavaskar has withdrawn his two letters to the BCCI demanding Rs 20 crore as compensation for his contribution to the same IPL. He will now be heading the BCCI and this year’s IPL in his new, court-mandated capacity. Whose side will he be on?
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SJS
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While on Gavaskar's appointment, there is a piece by India's best living cricket writer, Pradeep magazine, whose pieces pointing out what is wrong with the cricket establishment in the country have made him a pariah in the elite circles and the fans who are swayed by what the cricketing-celebrities say. Here is another in today's Hindustan Times that shows the stance this brave, almost lone, voice has taken for years . . .
Gavaskar not immune to conflict of interests
For people of my generation, Sunil Gavaskar holds a revered status in our hearts and minds. Our apprenticeship with cricket began with him, and even now some of his memorable battles against the fearsome West Indian pace attack are etched in my mind’s eye. His mastery over his craft gave Indian batting a steel and resolve never seen before. He earned India the respect it had lacked in international cricket.
Decades later, the same person has been given the responsibility to open a fresh innings and repair the damage N Srinivasan and his company, India Cements, have done to Indian cricket. While he still evokes awe for his stupendous cricketing feats, sad to say his dalliance with the cricket administration, that includes his lucrative contract with the Indian Board as a commentator, inspires little confidence.
New lease of hope
The Supreme Court, which has finally acted and given a new lease of hope to a cricket lover in the country, must have in all its wisdom, believed that in associating Gavaskar’s name with the game, they will restore to the IPL the credibility it badly lacks, till the outcome of the probe into the fixing scandal is completed.
But, will a man who was associated with many decisions as a member of the IPL governing council, which later came under scrutiny, be able to function in a fair and transparent manner? Will he be able to take decisions that could annoy the powerful lobby in the board that has brought the game into such disrepute?
I am raising these questions simply because even though till he functions as Board president he won’t be doing commentary, once this brief stint is over, he has to seek re-employment with the same Board. It will require courage and conviction to act against the very vested interests of which you have been a beneficiary so far.
His first test comes straightaway. Will he remove those very members from the IPL who are on the payrolls of India Cements? The SC wants that to happen, though it has left it to Gavaskar to decide whether to follow those directions or not.
In short, I am saying that even Gavaskar is not immune to this complex intertwining of conflict of interests that is the root cause of this problem.
To what purpose (Shivlal Yadav)
One does not expect Shivlal Yadav, who replaces Srinivasan, to serve any purpose other than to safeguard the interests of his board members, who are all complicit in this story of deception and greed.
Given Gavaskar’s stature and his contribution to Indian cricket, one still does hope that he would in this moment of crisis put Indian cricket first and not let his personal interests and ambitions guide his decisions.
In the end, we will have to rely on the Supreme Court to force the Indian Board to put practices in place that leads to a clean-up. And among the first things they should do is to get the obnoxious amendment that allowed Srinivasan to own a team and as well as retain his position in the board scrapped.
Gavaskar not immune to conflict of interests
For people of my generation, Sunil Gavaskar holds a revered status in our hearts and minds. Our apprenticeship with cricket began with him, and even now some of his memorable battles against the fearsome West Indian pace attack are etched in my mind’s eye. His mastery over his craft gave Indian batting a steel and resolve never seen before. He earned India the respect it had lacked in international cricket.
Decades later, the same person has been given the responsibility to open a fresh innings and repair the damage N Srinivasan and his company, India Cements, have done to Indian cricket. While he still evokes awe for his stupendous cricketing feats, sad to say his dalliance with the cricket administration, that includes his lucrative contract with the Indian Board as a commentator, inspires little confidence.
New lease of hope
The Supreme Court, which has finally acted and given a new lease of hope to a cricket lover in the country, must have in all its wisdom, believed that in associating Gavaskar’s name with the game, they will restore to the IPL the credibility it badly lacks, till the outcome of the probe into the fixing scandal is completed.
But, will a man who was associated with many decisions as a member of the IPL governing council, which later came under scrutiny, be able to function in a fair and transparent manner? Will he be able to take decisions that could annoy the powerful lobby in the board that has brought the game into such disrepute?
I am raising these questions simply because even though till he functions as Board president he won’t be doing commentary, once this brief stint is over, he has to seek re-employment with the same Board. It will require courage and conviction to act against the very vested interests of which you have been a beneficiary so far.
His first test comes straightaway. Will he remove those very members from the IPL who are on the payrolls of India Cements? The SC wants that to happen, though it has left it to Gavaskar to decide whether to follow those directions or not.
In short, I am saying that even Gavaskar is not immune to this complex intertwining of conflict of interests that is the root cause of this problem.
To what purpose (Shivlal Yadav)
One does not expect Shivlal Yadav, who replaces Srinivasan, to serve any purpose other than to safeguard the interests of his board members, who are all complicit in this story of deception and greed.
Given Gavaskar’s stature and his contribution to Indian cricket, one still does hope that he would in this moment of crisis put Indian cricket first and not let his personal interests and ambitions guide his decisions.
In the end, we will have to rely on the Supreme Court to force the Indian Board to put practices in place that leads to a clean-up. And among the first things they should do is to get the obnoxious amendment that allowed Srinivasan to own a team and as well as retain his position in the board scrapped.