The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

[bagapath]

World:

Jack Hobbs (1910s)
WG Grace (1870s)
Don Bradman (1940s)
Viv Richards (1970s)
Steve Smith (2010s)
Garry Sobers (1950s)
Adam Gilchrist (2000s) (wk)
Imran Khan (1980s)
Bill O'Reilly (1930s)
Glenn McGrath (1990s)
Sydney Barnes (1900s)

Sir Len Hutton (1950s) *
Herbert Sutcliffe (1930s)
Clem Hill (1910s)
Jacques Kallis (2000s)
Sir Everton Weekes (1940s)
George Aubrey Faulkner (1900s)
Q de kock (2010s) +
Sir Richard Hadlee (1970s)
Malcolm Marshall (1980s)
Shane Warne (1990s)
Fred Spofforth (1890s)

 

[Coronis]

Righties vs Lefties

Hobbs
Sutcliffe
Bradman*
Tendulkar
Hammond
Kallis
Knott+
Hadlee
Marshall
Warne
McGrath

Smith
Hayden
Sangakkara
Lara
Sobers
Border*
Gilchrist+
Jadeja
Wasim
Davidson
Johnston

Reckon lefties could beat righties? If without Bradman, replace with Smith.

 

[Thala_0710]

Righties vs Lefties

Hobbs
Sutcliffe
Bradman*
Tendulkar
Hammond
Kallis
Knott+
Hadlee
Marshall
Warne
McGrath

Smith
Hayden
Sangakkara
Lara
Sobers
Border*
Gilchrist+
Jadeja
Wasim
Davidson
Johnston

Reckon lefties could beat righties? If without Bradman, replace with Smith.

The lefties bowling is just too weak compared to the righties

 

[capt_Luffy]

Righties vs Lefties

Hobbs
Sutcliffe
Bradman*
Tendulkar
Hammond
Kallis
Knott+
Hadlee
Marshall
Warne
McGrath

Smith
Hayden
Sangakkara
Lara
Sobers
Border*
Gilchrist+
Jadeja
Wasim
Davidson
Johnston

Reckon lefties could beat righties? If without Bradman, replace with Smith.

Hadlee batted Left

 

[sayon basak]

@capt_Luffy see? he used it.

 

[Coronis]

Hadlee batted Left

idc

 

[Johan]

The lefties bowling is just too weak compared to the righties

their batting is also too weak compared to the righties.

 

[TheJediBrah]

My left isn't as good as my right either. Nice for a change every now and then though

 

[kyear2]

Top 20 Batsman
Bradman

Tendulkar
Sobers
Richards
Hobbs

Smith
Lara
Hutton
Richards

Gavaskar
Hammond
Chappell
Headley
Pollock
Ponting

Kallis
Sangakkara
Waugh
Dravid
Root


Top 16 bowlers
Marshall
McGrath

Hadlee
Warne
Steyn
Muralitharan
Ambrose

Imran
O'Reilly
Lillee
Donald
Wasim

Holding
Lindwall
Trueman
Garner


Top 12 Slip fielders
Hammond
Simpson
Sobers
Chappell
Taylor
Waugh
Ponting
Richardson
Hooper
Kallis
Barlow
Lloyd


Top 10 all rounders
Sobers
Imran
Kallis
Gilchrist
Miller

Botham
Hadlee
Pollock
Procter
Knott


Top 8 Captains
Taylor
Benaud

Ranatunga
Worrell
Jardine
Border
Lloyd
Imran

All Time XI (1)

Sir Leonard Hutton
Barry Richards^
Sir Donald Bradman ©
Sir. I. V. A. Richards^
Sachin Tendulkar
Sir Garfield Sobers^⁵
Adam Gilchrist (wk)
Wasim Akram ³
Malcolm Marshall ¹
Shane Warne ⁴
Glenn McGrath ²

All Time XI (2)

Sir John Hobbs
Sunil Gavaskar
Walter Hammond^
Brian Lara^
Steve Smith
Jacques Kallis^⁵
Imran Khan©³
Allan Knott (wk)
Richard Hadlee ²
Dale Steyn ¹
Muttiah Muralitharan ⁴

All Time XI (3)

Herbert Sutcliffe
Graeme Smith^©
George Headley
Greg Chappell^
Ricky Ponting^
Kumar Sangakkara (wk)
Keith Miller ⁵
Mike Procter ³
Sir Curtly Ambrose ²
Dennis Lillee ¹
William O'Reilly ⁴

All Time XI (4)

Sir Gordon Greenidge^
Matthew Hayden^
Rahul Dravid^
Graeme Pollock
Sir Frank Worrell ⁵
Allan Border ©
Leslie Ames (wk)
Alan Davidson ²
Hugh Tayfield ⁴
Joel Garner ³
Allan Donald ¹

All Time XI (5)

Robert Simpson^
Edgar Barlow^⁵
Kenneth Barrington
Sir Everton Weekes^
Javed Miandad
Stephen Waugh ©
Sir Clyde Walcott (wk)
Shaun Pollock ³
Raymond Lindwall ¹
Michael Holding ²
James Laker ³

All Time XI (6)

Virender Sehwag
Geoffrey Boycott
Neil Harvey^
Younis Khan
Clive Lloyd^©
Anthony Greig^ ⁵
BJ Watling (wk)
Ravichandran Ashwin ⁴
Frederick Teueman ¹
Waqar Younis ³
Jasprit Bumrah ²

All Time Australia XI

Robert Simpson^⁵
Matthew Hayden
Sir Donald Bradman
Steven Smith^
Greg Chappell^
Allan Border ©
Adam Gilchrist (wk)
Alan Davidson ³
Shane Warne ⁴
Dennis Lillee ¹
Glenn McGrath ²

All Time West Windies XI

Sir Frank Worrell ©
Sir Gordon Greenidge
Sir George Headley
Sir I. V.A. Richards^
Brian Lara^
Sir Garfield Sobers^⁴
Sir Clyde Walcott (wk)
Malcolm Marshall ¹
Michael Holding ³
Sir Curtly Ambrose ²
Lance Gibbs ⁵

South Africa All Time XI

Barry Richards^
Graeme Smith ©
Jacques Kallis^⁵
Graeme Pollock
Dudley Nourse
A.B. de Villiers^
Jock Cameron (wk)
Mike Procter ³
Dale Steyn ¹
Hugh Tayfield ⁴
Allan Donald ²

Pakistan All Time XI

Saeed Anwar
Hanif Mohammad
Younis Khan^
Javed Miandad ^
Inzamam Up Haq
Mushtaq Mohammad
Mohammad Rizwan (wk)
Imran Khan ©¹
Wasim Akram ²
Saqlain Mushtaq ⁴
Waqar Younis ³

England All Time XI

Sir John Hobbs
Sir Leonard Hutton ©
Walter Hammond^
Joseph Root
Ken Barrington^
Ian Botham^ ⁴
Allan Knott (wk)
Hedley Verity ⁵
Frederick Trueman ¹
Frank Tyson ³
James Anderson ²

India All Time XI

Sunil Gavaskar^
Virender Sehwag^
Rahul Dravid^
Sachin Tendulkar
Virat Kohli ©
Rishabh Pant (wk)
Ravindra Jadeja ⁵
Kapil Dev ³
Ravichandran Ashwin ⁴
Mohammad Shami ²
Jasprit Bumrah ¹


Top 40 cricketers of All Time

Tier 1
Bradman / Sobers / Marshall / Hobbs / Warne / Hadlee / McGrath / Tendulkar / Richards

Tier 2
Imran / Steyn / Muralitharan / Smith / Lara / Hammond / Kallis / Hutton / Ambrose / Gilchrist / Richards / Gavaskar / O'Reilly / Lillee / Headley / Wasim

Tier 3
Chappell / Donald / Border / Ponting / Sangakkara / Lindwall / Miller / Knott / Holding / Pollock / Waugh / Procter / Pollock / Dravid / Davidson

 

[Coronis]

Invincibles + 80’s Windies + 00’s Aussies vs the World

Hayden
Greenidge
Bradman
Richards
Ponting
Waugh
Gilchrist+
Marshall
Warne
Garner
McGrath

Hobbs
Sutcliffe
Hammond
Tendulkar
Lara
Sobers
Knott+
Imran
Hadlee
Steyn
Murali

I added the Invincibles cos Bradman on team 2 felt like it pushed the balance too far that way.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Invincibles + 80’s Windies + 00’s Aussies vs the World

Hayden
Greenidge
Bradman
Richards
Ponting
Waugh
Gilchrist+
Marshall
Warne
Garner
McGrath

Hobbs
Sutcliffe
Hammond
Tendulkar
Lara
Sobers
Knott+
Imran
Hadlee
Steyn
Murali

I added the Invincibles cos Bradman on team 2 felt like it pushed the balance too far that way.

Yeah, will use different teams:

Invincibles+80s WI+00s AUS:

Greenidge
Hayden
Bradman
Richards
Waugh
Miller
Gilchrist+
Lindwall
Marshall
Warne
McGrath


RoW:

Hobbs
Grace
Sangakkara+
Tendulkar
Lara
Smith
Sobers
Imran
Hadlee
Murali
Barnes

 

[Coronis]

I feel its pretty insane those 3 can make a competitive team against the rest of cricketing history.

 

[capt_Luffy]

What the A team will look:

Inv+WI70+Aus00:

Morris
Langer
Ponting
Hassett
Harvey
Lloyd
Dujon+
Roberts
Holding
Garner
MacGill


Not half decent for an A team

 

[Coronis]

What the A team will look:

Inv+WI70+Aus00:

Morris
Langer
Ponting
Hassett
Harvey
Lloyd
Dujon+
Roberts
Holding
Garner
MacGill


Not half decent for an A team

I think it is actually half decent

 

[kyear2]

Yeah, will use different teams:

Invincibles+80s WI+00s AUS:

Greenidge
Hayden
Bradman
Richards
Waugh
Miller
Gilchrist+
Lindwall
Marshall
Warne
McGrath


RoW:

Hobbs
Grace
Sangakkara+
Tendulkar
Lara
Smith
Sobers
Imran
Hadlee
Murali
Barnes

Lindwall I have no issues with, though the argument can be made that Garner would be better with the old ball, but Lindwall counters that with that extra production with the bat and they're close...

I know you don't like Punter, but he's a non negotiable. They're periods of that stretch where he was the most dominant batsman in the world.

Waugh and Richards can bowl enough overs in between them.

 

[Thala_0710]

Lindwall I have no issues with, though the argument can be made that Garner would be better with the old ball, but Lindwall counters that with that extra production with the bat and they're close...

I know you don't like Punter, but he's a non negotiable. They're periods of that stretch where he was the most dominant batsman in the world.

Waugh and Richards can bowl enough overs in between them.

Punter is better than Waugh anyway

 

[capt_Luffy]

Punter is better than Waugh anyway

He isn't.

Lindwall I have no issues with, though the argument can be made that Garner would be better with the old ball, but Lindwall counters that with that extra production with the bat and they're close...



I know you don't like Punter, but he's a non negotiable. They're periods of that stretch where he was the most dominant batsman in the world.



Waugh and Richards can bowl enough overs in between them.

Miller will play

 

[kyear2]

Invincibles + 80’s Windies + 00’s Aussies vs the World

Hayden
Greenidge
Bradman
Richards
Ponting
Waugh
Gilchrist+
Marshall
Warne
Garner
McGrath

Hobbs
Sutcliffe
Hammond
Tendulkar
Lara
Sobers
Knott+
Imran
Hadlee
Steyn
Murali

I added the Invincibles cos Bradman on team 2 felt like it pushed the balance too far that way.

I would watch that series.

And really only Hayden is complete out of his depth and looks out if place for the first team.

 

[kyear2]

Punter is better than Waugh anyway

Definitely

 

[kyear2]

He isn't.


Miller will play

Why, because you don't like him?

Don't think Miller was a good enough batsman, but we've had this discussion too many times already.