The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

[Coronis]

If Grace is considered for selection it should be for the A team and as opener; otherwise, he should be respectfully avoided, in my opinion.

Pre 1970 Team A

Dr WG Grace
Sir Jack Hobbs
Sir Don Bradman *
Walter Hammond
George Headley
Sir Garfiel Sobers
Jock Cameron +
Ray Lindwall
Fred Trueman
Bill O'Reilley
Sidney Barnes

Pre 1970 Team B

Sir Leonard Hutton *
Herbert Sutcliffe
Denis Compton
Graeme Pollock
Sir Everton Weekes
Les Ames +
Keith Miller
Alan Davidson
Alec Bedser
Jim Laker
Fred Spofforth

Pre 1970 Team C

Bob Simpson
Arthur Morris
Sir Frank Worrell *
Neil Harvey
Kumar Ranjisinhji
Aubrey Faulkner
John Waite +
Maurice Tate
Peter Pollock
Rev. Wesley Hall
Clarrie Grimmett

Why do you have an opener batting at #11?

 

[capt_Luffy]

Why do you have an opener batting at #11?

This is the kinda pettiness I like

 

[Coronis]

This is the kinda pettiness I like

Not what pettiness is but I appreciate your sentiment.

 

[bagapath]

Think Rhodes probably should make the 3rd team

agree... probably in place of Maurice Tate

 

[sayon basak]

agree... probably in place of Maurice Tate

Personally think Tate is superior to Pollock and Hall.

 

[kyear2]

Pre 1970

Sir Leonard Hutton
Sir John Hobbs
Sir Donald Bradman ©
George Headley
Walter Hammond ^
Sir Garfield Sobers ^⁵
Horace Cameron (wk)
Alan Davidson ³
Raymond Lindwall ¹
Frederick Truemann ²
William O'Reilly ⁴

Post 1971

Barry Richards ^
Sunil Gavaskar
Sir I.V.A. Richards ^
Sachin Tendulkar
Steven Smith ©
Jacques Kallis ^⁵
Adam Gilchrist (wk)
Wasim Akram ³
Malcolm Marshall¹
Shane Warne ⁴
Glenn McGrath ²

 

[Coronis]

Pre 1970

Sir Leonard Hutton
Sir John Hobbs
Sir Donald Bradman ©
George Headley
Walter Hammond ^
Sir Garfield Sobers ^⁵
Horace Cameron (wk)
Alan Davidson ³
Raymond Lindwall ¹
Frederick Truemann ²
William O'Reilly ⁴

Post 1971

Barry Richards ^
Sunil Gavaskar
Sir I.V.A. Richards ^
Sachin Tendulkar
Steven Smith ©
Jacques Kallis ^
Adam Gilchrist (wk)
Wasim Akram ³
Malcolm Marshall¹
Shane Warne ⁴
Glenn McGrath ²

Well thats just weird. You’ve listed 3 slips for one team and 2 for the other. And you’ve also listed 5 bowlers for one team and four for the other. Does Kallis not get to bowl?

 

[kyear2]

Well thats just weird. You’ve listed 3 slips for one team and 2 for the other. And you’ve also listed 5 bowlers for one team and four for the other. Does Kallis not get to bowl?

Kallis is the 5th bowler, simple over sight, and fixed

The slips one though was one that bothered me more than it should have.

But i'll just leave that there though.

 

[ataraxia]

I'm not sure three slips was as big a thing before 1970 anyway tbh.

 

[kyear2]

I'm not sure three slips was as big a thing before 1970 anyway tbh.

Don't think so either well probably the 60's? 1st slip was also the most important prior to probably the 60's as well.

The greater emergence of fast bowlers, lively pitches and most importantly, more aggressive mindsets, probably pushed everything out a bit.

All probable conjecture.

 

[capt_Luffy]

So making AT XIs for countries in both Tests and ODIs, without repeating players. The catch, they have to have played a game in either format post 4th January 1971 (sorry Saffas).


Australia:

Test:

Bob Simpson
Matthew Hayden
Steve Smith
Greg Chappell
Allan Border*
Steve Waugh
Ian Healy+
Shane Warne
Pat Cummins
Dennis Lillee
Glenn McGrath


ODI:

Adam Gilchrist+
Shane Watson
Ricky Ponting*
Dean Jones
Andrew Symmonds
Michael Bevan
Michael Hussey
Brad Hogg
Mitchell Starc
Brett Lee
Nathan Bracken



India:

Tests:

Sunil Gavaskar*
Virendra Sehwag
Rahul Dravid
Sachin Tendulkar
VVS Laxman
Rishabh Pant+
Ravindra Jadeja
Ravichandran Ashwin
Anil Kumble
Javagal Srinath
Jasprit Bumrah


ODI:

Rohit Sharma
Sourav Ganguly
Virat Kohli
Yuvraj Singh
MS Dhoni+*
Hardik Pandya
Kapil Dev
Axar Patel
Kuldeep Yadav
Mohammad Shami
Zaheer Khan



South Africa:

Test:

Graeme Smith*
Jimmy Cook
Gary Kirsten
Jacques Kallis
Hashim Amla
Darryl Cullinan
Mark Boucher+
Keshav Maharaj
Dale Steyn
Kagiso Rabada
Allan Donald


ODI:

Herschelle Gibbs
Quinton de Kock+
Faf du Plessis
AB de Villiers
David Miller
Clive Rice*
Lance Klusener
Shaun Pollock
Imran Tahir
Fanie de Villiers
Makhaya Ntini



West Indies:

Test:

Gordon Greenidge
Roy Fredericks
Rohan Kanhai
Brian Lara
Garry Sobers*
Shivnarine Chanderpaul
Jeff Dujon+
Malcolm Marshall
Curtly Ambrose
Courtney Walsh
Lance Gibbs


ODI:

Chris Gayle
Desmond Haynes
Shai Hope+
Viv Richards
Clive Lloyd*
Carl Hooper
Dwayne Bravo
Roger Harper
Andy Roberts
Joel Garner
Michael Holding



England:

Test:

Geoff Boycott
Alaistar Cook
David Gower
Joe Root
Colin Cowdrey
Ben Stokes*
Ian Botham
Alan Knott+
Derek Underwood
James Anderson
John Snow


ODI:

Jonny Bairstow
Marcus Trescothick
Allan Lamb
Kevin Pietersen
Andrew Flintoff
Jos Buttler+
Paul Collingwood*
Graeme Swann
Jofra Archer
Darren Gough
Bob Willis



Pakistan:

Test:

Majid Khan
Saeed Anwar
Younis Khan
Javed Miandad
Mohammad Yousuf
Mushtaq Mohammad
Imran Khan*
Rashid Latif+
Iqbal Qasim
Shoaib Akhtar
Waqar Younis


ODI:

Shahid Afridi
Babar Azam
Zaheer Abbas
Inzamam-ul-Haq
Mohammad Rizwan+
Misbah-ul-Haq*
Abdul Razzaq
Wasim Akram
Umar Gul
Saqlain Mushtaq
Mohammad Amir



New Zealand:

Test:

Glenn Turner
John Wright
Kane Williamson
Martin Crowe
Stephen Fleming*
BJ Watling+
Chris Cairns
Daniel Vettori
Richard Hadlee
Kyle Jamieson
Neil Wagner



ODI:

Nathan Astle
Brendon McCullum+*
Ross Taylor
Darryl Mitchell
Roger Twose
Glenn Philips
Chris Harris
Mitchell Santner
Trent Boult
Ewen Chatfield
Shane Bond



Sri Lanka:

Test:

Dimuth Karunaratne
Marvan Atapattu
Kumar Sangakkara
Mahela Jayawardene*
Thillan Samaraweera
Angelo Mathews
Dinesh Chandimal+
Chaminda Vaas
Rangana Herath
Asitha Fernando
Mutthiah Muralitharan


ODI:

Sanath Jayasuriya
Tillakratne Dilshan
Kusal Mendis+
Aravinda de Silva
Arjuna Ranatunga*
Russell Arnold
Thisara Perera
Farvez Maharoof
Ajantha Mendis
Nuwan Kulasekhara
Lasith Malinga



Zimbabwe:

Test:

Hamilton Masakadza
Grant Flower
Murray Goodwin
David Houghton*
Andy Flower
Sean Williams
Tatenda Taibu+
Heath Streak
Paul Strang
Blessing Muzarabani
Kyle Jarvis


ODI:

Neil Johnson
Guy Whittal
Craig Ervine
Brandon Taylor+
Sean Ervine
Sikander Raza
Kevin Curran
Duncan Fletcher*
Peter Rawson
John Traicos
Henry Olonga



Bangladesh:

Test:

Tamim Iqbal
Imrul Kayes
Monimul Hoque
Habibul Bashar*
Najmul Hossain Shanto
Mushfiqur Rahim+
Mahmudullah Riyadh
Mehedy Hasan Miraj
Mashrafe Mortaza
Hasan Mahmud
Taijul Islam


ODI:

Litton Das+
Sabbir Rahman
Anamul Haque*
Mohammad Ashraful
Shakib Al Hasan
Soumya Sarkar
Saifuddin
Abdur Razzak
Mohammad Rafique
Mustafizur Rahman
Taskin Ahmed

 

[Thala_0710]

Great effort... For the India one, I would take Raina over Axar for the batting as we have 6-7 bowling options already. Could even add Gill/Iyer soon.

 

[Thala_0710]

Sachin, Viv, Mcgrath, Akram, Garner, Donald, Murali and Warne would get into every nation's all time Test XI, as well as all time ODI XI imo. Are there any others, and would you leave out any of these in any of the XIs?

 

[capt_Luffy]

Great effort... For the India one, I would take Raina over Axar for the batting as we have 6-7 bowling options already. Could even add Gill/Iyer soon.

I was thinking of Azharuddin as well. Thought Hardik-Dev-Axar from 6-8 to be pretty solid and hard hitting.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Sachin, Viv, Mcgrath, Akram, Garner, Donald, Murali and Warne would get into every nation's all time Test XI, as well as all time ODI XI imo. Are there any others, and would you leave out any of these in any of the XIs?

Garner doesn't makes Australia's Test XI for me, he actually doesn't makes WI's as well. All the others I agree with.

 

[Bitmap]

Sachin, Viv, Mcgrath, Akram, Garner, Donald, Murali and Warne would get into every nation's all time Test XI, as well as all time ODI XI imo. Are there any others, and would you leave out any of these in any of the XIs?

Brian Lara

 

[capt_Luffy]

Brian Lara

Hey there were 0 reasons to delete that GIF

 

[Thala_0710]

Garner doesn't makes Australia's Test XI for me, he actually doesn't makes WI's as well. All the others I agree with.

Garner over Holding, Lindwall?

 

[capt_Luffy]

Garner over Holding, Lindwall?

Yeah I will prefer them. For WI, I rate Garner and Holding as pretty much equals, the presence of Ambrose and Holding's ability of flat tracks leads me towards him. Re Aus, I go with Miller, McGrath, Lindwall and the spin duo. Lindwall as he was a pretty handy bat and I have Miller at 6 so that will be useful; not to mention I don't rate him much behind Lillee (and Garner).

 

[Coronis]

Sachin, Viv, Mcgrath, Akram, Garner, Donald, Murali and Warne would get into every nation's all time Test XI, as well as all time ODI XI imo. Are there any others, and would you leave out any of these in any of the XIs?

Yeah not sure about Garner in Australia.

I would put have him for his batting but Davo and Lindwall can hold the bat too.

Viv would also not make my Australian XI. Purely because I think Border would be better that far down at 6, same reason Ponting doesn’t make my Australian XI.