The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

[OverratedSanity]

Also Ashwin in the third xi? It might be the popular opinion in 20 years after people have a **** at his stats but it still feels pretty wrong imo

 

[h_hurricane]

Also Ashwin in the third xi? It might be the popular opinion in 20 years after people have a **** at his stats but it still feels pretty wrong imo

Yep, I was wrong in this. Back then he had a 7-9 run difference between his batting and bowling averages. Thought he had gone up the next level. A classic case of "wait till the end of someone's career before rating him" example.

 

[h_hurricane]

Jadeja should be in the 0th XI as he is better than Warne.

I concur with this. Sir RJ has averaged 53 with the bat and 27 with the ball since beginning of 2018

 

[Engle]

An AT XI should be picked with players complementing each other by contributing a variety of differing skills

01. J. Hobbs
02. S. Gavaskar
03. D. Bradman ( C )
04. G.Sobers
05. V. Richards
06. Imran Khan ( VC )
07. A.Gilchrist
08. S.Warne
09. M.Marshall
10. C. Ambrose
11. S. Barnes

• Gavaskar complements Hobbs coming from vastly different eras. He has faced attacks different from that of Hobbs
• Bradman perfectly complemented by the taller, left-handed, stylistic Sobers, who I feel would raise his game to match DGB. To envisage such a partnership would be delectable. Sachin’s style is similar to DGB thereby leaving him out
• With DGB in the side, one needs to select a bowling AR, thus Imran who could also be VC
• Ambrose complements Marshall ideally (McGrath and Wasim being close contenders)
• Barnes not only brings variety, but since we have no footage of him at his peak, we allow for that visualization

 

[trundler]

8th XI

Cook
Greenidge
Harvey
McCabe
Clarke
Waugh
Boucher+
Pollock
Larwood
Statham
Tayfield

9th XI

Gooch
Turner
Amla
May
Inzimam
Chanderpaul
Kirmani+
Tate
Hall
Fazal
Underwood


10th XI
Anwar
Woodfull
Compton
Walters
Lloyd
Mushtaq
Smith+
Philander
Willis
Akhtar
Kumble

Should stop...

 

[OverratedSanity]

Keep going until laxmipathy Balaji makes the xi

 

[trundler]

11th XI

Langer
Hanif
Dexter
Crowe
Cowdrey
Laxman
Russell+
Bishop
Spofforth
Herath
Tyson

12th

Barlow
Hunte
Chappell
Hazare
Hussey
Abbas
Latif+
Rhodes
Snow
Bond
Cowie

13th XI

Engineer+
Katich
Richardson
De Silva
Pietersen
Yousuf
Mankad
Harris
Saqlain
Croft
Thompson

 

[trundler]

14th XI

Taylor
Haynes
Boon
Gower
Samaraweera
Greig
Dujon+
Swann
Johnson
Gillespie
McDermott

Into the HTBs and a bit of modern bias is perhaps coming into play

15th XI

Slater
Gayle
Edrich
O'Neill
Thorpe
McCullum+
Cairns
Gregory
Alderman
Johnston
Chandrasekhar

Well and truly out of ATVGs after this lot.

 

[Red]

Gillespie doesn't belong there at all

Yes he does.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Yeah I reckon Gillespie is in a fair spot. Wouldn't say there are objectively better bowlers in the teams below

 

[Red]

Gillespie was a phenomenal quick bowler. Vastly underrated.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Exceptional coach as well from all reports, which I wouldn't have picked from his playing days. But that's neither here nor there.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Yeah I reckon Gillespie is in a fair spot. Wouldn't say there are objectively better bowlers in the teams below

Gillespie was a phenomenal quick bowler. Vastly underrated.

Would you have him in a team ahead of the likes of Statham/Willis/Bedser like hurricane did? Along Australians, McDermott and even Johnson were superior to him. All of those were atleast a level or two above Gillespie as bowlers.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Along Australians, McDermott and even Johnson were superior to him. All of those were atleast a level or two above Gillespie as bowlers.

No way

 

[trundler]

Would you have him in a team ahead of the likes of Statham/Willis/Bedser like hurricane did? Along Australians, McDermott and even Johnson were superior to him. All of those were atleast a level or two above Gillespie as bowlers.

TBF TJB doesn't know who who went of those are

 

[TheJediBrah]

TBF TJB doesn't know who who went of those are

Accurate tbh

 

[harsh.ag]

You all missed out Shoaib Akhtar. Trundler esp should be ashamed of putting him below Tate and Statham

 

[the big bambino]

lol.. Lillee does not belong in that conversation. His record outside of Aus/Eng is similar to Barry Richards. Warne, the same thing. Gichrist, yes. Barnes no.

Lillee, Warne, Barnes is the obvious Anglocentric bias.

Excluding someone like Barnes because you set a condition he couldn't meet as a rationalisation is a form of bias.

 

[trundler]

Tate's batting pushed him ahead. Statham was a marginal call.

 

[srbhkshk]

Would you have him in a team ahead of the likes of Statham/Willis/Bedser like hurricane did? Along Australians, McDermott and even Johnson were superior to him. All of those were atleast a level or two above Gillespie as bowlers.

Johnson maybe when he woke up on the right side of the bed, how is McDermott better than Gillespie?