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The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread
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BazBall21
International Vice-Captain
Snow over Bedser is interesting but I think I agree with it.
Snow doesn't have outstanding output but he had two ATG series and both away from home which is a point of difference among England bowlers.
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capt_Luffy
International Regular
If it's till 1970, doesn't Barry Richards qualify??
BazBall21
International Vice-Captain
I actually rate Snow over Statham. Pure output probably isn't as good overall but think he has enough scope to be judged as the superior bowler. Better record v top sides and played in less bowler-friendly times. Suspect he was the more penetrative of the two on flat pitches.
Obviously a rung below FST though.
Obviously a rung below FST though.
capt_Luffy
International Regular
I will probably still go with Bedser, whom I rate clearly higher than Statham, Willis and Snow; Trueman and Larwood for his sheer pace, as the side need a high pacer.
BazBall21
International Vice-Captain
Bedser was the slowest out of them.
CricketFan90s
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TheJediBrah
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Verity was a spinner
capt_Luffy
International Regular
Yeah, I know that.
ataraxia
International Coach
Barlow >> Bland (and Herbie Taylor) tbh. I'd even be tempted to take out a bowler to include him if push came to shove.
CricketFan90s
State Vice-Captain
CricketFan90s
State Vice-Captain
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1st Test - Christchurch
2nd Test - Wellington
3rd Test - Auckland
4th Test - Lord's
5th Test - Nottingham
6th Test - Leeds
Whoever gets a Lead after 6 Tests can choose the Venue of 7th Test.
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The Winner of this Trophy will progress to next stage..
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Fuller Pilch
Hall of Fame Member
Openers: England much better
Middle order: NZ slightly better but England likely to have a better base to work from and have lefthanders for variety
Tail: NZ much better
Opening bowlers & 3rd bowler: about even (Hadlee clearly the best but Cairns the worst)
4th seamer and spinner: about even (Wagner much better than Flintoff but Swann much better than Vettori).
Keeping and slip fielding: NZ better
Captaincy: Williamson > Gooch
Overall: Close
Middle order: NZ slightly better but England likely to have a better base to work from and have lefthanders for variety
Tail: NZ much better
Opening bowlers & 3rd bowler: about even (Hadlee clearly the best but Cairns the worst)
4th seamer and spinner: about even (Wagner much better than Flintoff but Swann much better than Vettori).
Keeping and slip fielding: NZ better
Captaincy: Williamson > Gooch
Overall: Close
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CricketFan90s
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Speight's and Newcastle Brown Ale with Fish and Chips are served at the Tournament.
Fuller Pilch
Hall of Fame Member
Please make sure it is NZ fush and chups. English food is dreadful.
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CricketFan90s
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BazBall21
International Vice-Captain
3-5s are close but I think I'd just take England's just. Don't quite rate Ross Taylor in the same company as the other five batters. Root slightly better than Kane imo. Crowe slightly better than Gower.
If you take Flintoff at 8 out then NZ do have significantly better batting depth, but Broad/Gough can compete with their opposite number Wagner on bowling better.
Hadlee factor is big and he chokeslams Anderson but I'd take Willis over either one of Southee/Boult and either one of Underwood/Swann a long way ahead of Vettori.
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Fuller Pilch
Hall of Fame Member
I did the rating on CF90s' teams with the pics in post #23, 932. I would select several different players if picking teams for the respective nations, and from those perhaps put England slightly ahead.