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Just about equal. All 4 bowlers match well with their counterpart.
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The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread
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I normally have Cairns, Hadlee, Vettori, Wagner and one of Cowie or Boult. Think this is better than SL's which struggles a lot more past Murali, Vaas and Herath. Where NZ have really pulled things back in the last 10-15 years is the 3-5. Williamson is weaker than Sanga but I don't think it's by that much. I actually have Crowe some way ahead of Jayawardene despite the difference in overall average. De Silva is better than Taylor but overall the margin the SL middle has over NZ is a lot smaller than it was. Think Turner and Sutcliffe is a better opening pair than Jayasuriya and Atapattu/Karunaratne and NZ bat deeper so think the batting is actually much of a muchness.
Sunil1z
International Regular
Then why did you rate NZ > SL ?
CricAddict
Cricketer Of The Year
Turner, Crowe, Kane, Taylor, Mccullum, Cairns vs Jayasuriya, Karunaratne, Jayawardene, Sangakkara, Aravinda etc. Initially thought NZ was stronger but when I put the names, I see SL is stronger.
So SL>NZ.
capt_Luffy
International Debutant
He used to in mine but know I think Karunaratne has surpassed him. In comparing the two teams; Hadlee is a little ahead of Murali, Herath is a little ahead of Boult, Wagner and Vaas are almost equals, but Cairns is ahead of Malinga in Test matches and SL has Jayasuriya as a 5th bowler; not really matching Vettori. So, NZ bowling is clearly superior in my book. For batting, Turner and Sutcliffe are both better than Jayasuriya and Karunaratne easily, Sangakkara is better than Williamson, but not by that much, Crowe is ahead of Jayawardene which is balanced by how much ahead De Silva is of Taylor. Ranatunga is a better bat than Watling, and so is Chandimal than Cairns; but the tail of Hadlee and Vettori kinda pulls it back. Overall, I would say SL batting is better but barely; and NZ team is better imo with a better team balance.
Yeah this is about where I am with it.
kyear2
Cricketer Of The Year
The battle between England and Pakistan to make the semis would be the most intriguing. Pakistan's powerful attack vs England's batting would be amazing to witness, but the critical one would be Trueman and co vs Miandad, Younis and Inzi.
Of the top 3, while it may ultimately come down to the WI and Aus, South Africa can easily take out either. 7 legitimately great players and that's with Procter not making the lineup. Their opening attack and top 4 bats are as good as if not better than anyone's.
Might take England's batting aligned with Pakistan's bowling to defeat them.
Actually a composite team
Openers - England
1st drop - Australia
Middle order - W. I.
Spin battery - Australia
Pace attack - W. I.
Openers no discussion, similarly 1st drop, and middle order .
From my ratings Hobbs(4), Hutton(8), Bradman(1), Richards(5), Lara(7), Sobers(3)
Warne and Gilly and contenders / near locks for an AT team based partly because of their work together, so....
Pacers only close call, from our ongoing poll.
Marshall (1)/ Ambrose (7) / Garner (15)
Steyn (6) / Donald (13)/ Pollock (20)
Imran (8) / Akram (11) / Younis (17)
McGrath (2) / Lillee (12) / Cummins (23)
Barnes (9) / Trueman (14) / Anderson (25)
If we want to use Lindwall instead of Cummins that's 16 over 23, but did he ever come on first change, or suited to that role? I'll leave it up to the Australian's to decide.
But just raw ratings -
WI - 23
Aus - 37 / 30
Pak - 36
SA - 39
England - 48
Ok, thought it would have been between the Windies and South Africa but I was way off, but still Windies.
Since I'm on a roll, slip support.
Simpson - Chappell - Ponting
Smith - Kallis - Richards / Pollock /deVilliers
Lara - Sobers - Richards
Hammond - Botham - Barrington / Root
this went so very much longer than intended
Openers - England (sm SA)
First drop - Australia
Middle order - West Indies (sm Aus)
Spin / keeper - Australia (sm SL)
Pace Attack - West Indies (sm Aus / Pak / SA)
Cordon - Australia (sm SA / WI)
Of the top 3, while it may ultimately come down to the WI and Aus, South Africa can easily take out either. 7 legitimately great players and that's with Procter not making the lineup. Their opening attack and top 4 bats are as good as if not better than anyone's.
Might take England's batting aligned with Pakistan's bowling to defeat them.
Actually a composite team
Openers - England
1st drop - Australia
Middle order - W. I.
Spin battery - Australia
Pace attack - W. I.
Openers no discussion, similarly 1st drop, and middle order .
From my ratings Hobbs(4), Hutton(8), Bradman(1), Richards(5), Lara(7), Sobers(3)
Warne and Gilly and contenders / near locks for an AT team based partly because of their work together, so....
Pacers only close call, from our ongoing poll.
Marshall (1)/ Ambrose (7) / Garner (15)
Steyn (6) / Donald (13)/ Pollock (20)
Imran (8) / Akram (11) / Younis (17)
McGrath (2) / Lillee (12) / Cummins (23)
Barnes (9) / Trueman (14) / Anderson (25)
If we want to use Lindwall instead of Cummins that's 16 over 23, but did he ever come on first change, or suited to that role? I'll leave it up to the Australian's to decide.
But just raw ratings -
WI - 23
Aus - 37 / 30
Pak - 36
SA - 39
England - 48
Ok, thought it would have been between the Windies and South Africa but I was way off, but still Windies.
Since I'm on a roll, slip support.
Simpson - Chappell - Ponting
Smith - Kallis - Richards / Pollock /deVilliers
Lara - Sobers - Richards
Hammond - Botham - Barrington / Root
this went so very much longer than intended
Openers - England (sm SA)
First drop - Australia
Middle order - West Indies (sm Aus)
Spin / keeper - Australia (sm SL)
Pace Attack - West Indies (sm Aus / Pak / SA)
Cordon - Australia (sm SA / WI)
Fuller Pilch
Hall of Fame Member
How does Malinga make Sri Lanka's all time test team? He wasn't a very good test bowler and only played 30 tests.
Lakmal really improved in his last few years and was better than him imo, although Asitha Fernando will probably surpass both of them. He is genuinely good.
Lakmal really improved in his last few years and was better than him imo, although Asitha Fernando will probably surpass both of them. He is genuinely good.
Sunil1z
International Regular
They don’t have any option.
CricAddict
Cricketer Of The Year
Asitha wasn't even picked in squad in the last test and came in only for an injured Rajitha. Or was he injured earlier?
Fuller Pilch
Hall of Fame Member
I didn't realise that as haven't followed the SL-Bang series very closely. He bowled very well in NZ last year.
Red
The normal awards that everyone else has
Yep.
Simpson
Lawry
Bradman
G.Chappell
Harvey
Border
Gilchrist
Davidson
Warne
Lillee
McGrath
Greenidge
Haynes
Richards
Lara
Lloyd
Sobers
Dujon
Marshall
Garner
Holding
Ambrose
Smith
Richards
Kallis
Pollock
DeVilliers
Faulkner
Waite
Procter
Tayfield
Steyn
Donald
Hutton
Hobbs
Hammond
Root
Gooch
Botham
Knott
Trueman
Barnes
Laker
Underwood
Fuller Pilch
Hall of Fame Member
I dunno. Root being right next to Gooch makes a lot of sense to me.
kyear2
Cricketer Of The Year
This, but in agreement. Didn't quite fit.