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The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

The Sean

The Sean

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Flem274* said:
im guessing its been done but the ai gods have spoken:


Australia:

  1. Sir Donald Bradman (Captain)
  2. Matthew Hayden
  3. Ricky Ponting
  4. Greg Chappell
  5. Allan Border
  6. Steve Waugh
  7. Adam Gilchrist (Wicketkeeper)
  8. Shane Warne
  9. Dennis Lillee
  10. Glenn McGrath
  11. Ray Lindwall
England:

  1. Alastair Cook
  2. Sir Jack Hobbs
  3. Sir Len Hutton
  4. Wally Hammond
  5. Kevin Pietersen
  6. Sir Ian Botham
  7. Alec Stewart (Wicketkeeper)
  8. Jim Laker
  9. Stuart Broad
  10. James Anderson
  11. Sydney Barnes
India:

  1. Sunil Gavaskar
  2. Virender Sehwag
  3. Rahul Dravid
  4. Sachin Tendulkar
  5. Virat Kohli (Captain)
  6. V.V.S. Laxman
  7. Kapil Dev
  8. Mahendra Singh Dhoni (Wicketkeeper)
  9. Anil Kumble
  10. Zaheer Khan
  11. Bishan Singh Bedi
South Africa:

  1. Graeme Smith
  2. Barry Richards
  3. Hashim Amla
  4. Jacques Kallis
  5. AB de Villiers
  6. Graeme Pollock
  7. Mark Boucher (Wicketkeeper)
  8. Shaun Pollock
  9. Dale Steyn
  10. Allan Donald
  11. Hugh Tayfield
West Indies:

  1. Sir Garfield Sobers (Captain)
  2. Gordon Greenidge
  3. Sir Vivian Richards
  4. Brian Lara
  5. George Headley
  6. Clive Lloyd
  7. Jeff Dujon (Wicketkeeper)
  8. Malcolm Marshall
  9. Michael Holding
  10. Curtly Ambrose
  11. Joel Garner
Sri Lanka:

  1. Sanath Jayasuriya
  2. Marvan Atapattu
  3. Kumar Sangakkara (Wicketkeeper)
  4. Mahela Jayawardene
  5. Aravinda de Silva
  6. Tillakaratne Dilshan
  7. Rangana Herath
  8. Chaminda Vaas
  9. Muttiah Muralitharan
  10. Lasith Malinga
  11. Vaasanthi Vaas
New Zealand:

  1. Glenn Turner
  2. Martin Crowe
  3. Kane Williamson (Captain)
  4. Ross Taylor
  5. Richard Hadlee
  6. Brendon McCullum (Wicketkeeper)
  7. Daniel Vettori
  8. Chris Cairns
  9. Tim Southee
  10. Shane Bond
  11. Trent Boult
Pakistan:

  1. Hanif Mohammad
  2. Saeed Anwar
  3. Zaheer Abbas
  4. Javed Miandad
  5. Inzamam-ul-Haq
  6. Imran Khan (Captain)
  7. Wasim Akram
  8. Rashid Latif (Wicketkeeper)
  9. Abdul Qadir
  10. Waqar Younis
  11. Fazal Mahmood
Zimbabwe:

  1. Grant Flower
  2. Dave Houghton
  3. Andy Flower (Wicketkeeper)
  4. Andy Flower
  5. Heath Streak (Captain)
  6. Sean Ervine
  7. Tatenda Taibu
  8. Neil Johnson
  9. Henry Olonga
  10. Paul Strang
  11. Douglas Hondo
Bangladesh:

  1. Tamim Iqbal
  2. Imrul Kayes
  3. Shakib Al Hasan
  4. Mushfiqur Rahim (Wicketkeeper)
  5. Mohammad Ashraful
  6. Mahmudullah
  7. Mashrafe Mortaza (Captain)
  8. Mohammad Rafique
  9. Enamul Haque Jr.
  10. Mustafizur Rahman
  11. Shakib Al Hasan
"Please note that these selections are subjective and based on my assessment. There are many other great players from each nation's cricketing history who could be considered for inclusion."

andy flower and shakib so good it picked them twice.
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Why are Bradman and Sobers opening?
 
TheJediBrah

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The Sean said:
Why are Bradman and Sobers opening?
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Bradman or Ponting or some other opening is often talked about as an option for Aus ATG teams, because they've had so many great middle order batsmen compared to openers. It could be argued the team is stronger by getting a middle order bat to open and include an extra one than pick 2 actual openers out of Hayden, Simpson, Ponsford or whoever
 
Adorable Asshole

Adorable Asshole

International Regular
Red said:
Bradman definitely faced fast bowlers
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How fast do you think Larwood was. From what I have seen not more than 145 kph. Great but not express pace.

Socerer 01 said:
even if you’re applying all the filters and **** and factors and compensation Bradman would average what, 70? that’s still the best in test history by a big margin

just admit that the guy was a statistical freak, his achievements compared to contemporaries and players across time are freakish even compared to others sports icons
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I have already said that Bradman is the best bat by a mile just because I did some speculation about his abnormal stats doesn't mean I'm trying to discredit his achievements.

Coronis said:
Huh, and here I though Bodyline was all about the spin.
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You really think bodyline bowlers were in the league of Thomson or Akhtar?
 
Adorable Asshole

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International Regular
Jfry said:
Cheats/Against the 'Spirit of the Game' XI/Players People don't like XI:

WG Grace
David Warner
Rahul Dravid
Steve Smith
Greg Chappell
Imran Khan
M.S. Dhoni
Imran Khan
Wasim Akram
Shane Warne
Murali

Based on cricketing skill, not cheating ability/scale
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No Ponting?
 
ataraxia

ataraxia

International Coach
145kph is extremely quick.

Starc's one of the fastest bowlers around now, and he clocks, what, 141? Which is probably inflated up from 138? 145 is quick.
 
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International Regular
ataraxia said:
No. Root, Barrington, and Compton are all easily superior picks and the batting lineup already has four locks in Hobbs–Sutcliffe–Hutton–Hammond. And there's a case for an all-rounder at 6 too.
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How is Sutcliffe locked when Hobbs and Hutton are already there?

OverratedSanity said:
Is Pietersen really worthy of an ATG XI spot? Ehhhhh
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Now that I think of it.

Hobbs (c)
Hutton
Hammond
Root
Barrington
Botham
Flintoff
Knott (+)
Laker/Barnes
Trueman
Anderson/Statham
 
ataraxia

ataraxia

International Coach
Hobbs
Sutcliffe
Hutton
Hammond
Root
Barrington

is by far preferable to

Hobbs
Hutton
Hammond
Root
Barrington
Compton

Sutcliffe is at worst slightly inferior to Hutton as Hobbs' opening partner; Hobbs and Sutcliffe averaged an 88-run opening stand ffs.

And Hutton is much superior to Compton, or Pietersen, or any Pom south of Hammond if he were forced to bat in the middle order. Important to note that the difference between opening and batting cushy lower in the order was much less pronounced back in the 50s.
 
Adorable Asshole

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International Regular
ataraxia said:
Hobbs
Sutcliffe
Hutton
Hammond
Root
Barrington

is by far preferable to

Hobbs
Hutton
Hammond
Root
Barrington
Compton

Sutcliffe is at worst slightly inferior to Hutton as Hobbs' opening partner; Hobbs and Sutcliffe averaged an 88-run opening stand ffs.

And Hutton is much superior to Compton, or Pietersen, or any Pom south of Hammond if he were forced to bat in the middle order. Important to note that the difference between opening and batting cushy lower in the order was much less pronounced back in the 50s.
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Barrington was better than Hammond or Hutton as a middle order bat.

Coronis said:
I’m sure Hobbs would be surprised to captain his first test for England as a member of this team.
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Captaining is not that much of a big deal when you already have a great team.
 
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