Tendulkar/Hobbs vs Marshall/McGrath

[vidiq]

now for the final round...Viv Richards

Dennis Lillee [WSC included]
12 matches, 2,032 runs @ 53.47 with 5 hundreds in 40 innings.

Imran Khan
14 matches, 1,074 runs @ 46.69 with 2 hundreds and 7 fifties in 24 innings.

80s Imran Khan
9 matches, 817 runs @ 58.35 with 2 hundreds and 5 fifties in 15 innings.

Richard Hadlee
7 matches, 387 runs @ 43.00, with 1 hundred and 2 fifties in 10 innings

Prime Ian Botham
9 matches, 719 runs @ 71.90, with 3 hundreds and 2 fifties in 11 innings.

Bob Willis
9 matches, 969 runs @ 88.09 with 3 hundreds and 4 fifties in 12 innings, all games in England where Willis averaged 21.28 when not bowling to Viv.

Wasim Akram
4 matches, 355 runs @ 50.71, with 1 hundred and 1 fifty in seven innings

Indian Spin Quaret combination (Bedi + Chandra)
7 matches, 710 runs @ 64.54, with 3 hundreds and 2 fifties in 12 innings.

Chandra+Bedi+Prasanna
4 matches, 296 runs @ 49.33, with 1 hundred and 1 fifty in 7 innings.

OMG Goated stats against all great bolwers of his time

 

[govinda indian fan]

now for the final round...Viv Richards

Dennis Lillee [WSC included]
12 matches, 2,032 runs @ 53.47 with 5 hundreds in 40 innings.

Imran Khan
14 matches, 1,074 runs @ 46.69 with 2 hundreds and 7 fifties in 24 innings.

80s Imran Khan
9 matches, 817 runs @ 58.35 with 2 hundreds and 5 fifties in 15 innings.

Richard Hadlee
7 matches, 387 runs @ 43.00, with 1 hundred and 2 fifties in 10 innings

Prime Ian Botham
9 matches, 719 runs @ 71.90, with 3 hundreds and 2 fifties in 11 innings.

Bob Willis
9 matches, 969 runs @ 88.09 with 3 hundreds and 4 fifties in 12 innings, all games in England where Willis averaged 21.28 when not bowling to Viv.

Wasim Akram
4 matches, 355 runs @ 50.71, with 1 hundred and 1 fifty in seven innings

Indian Spin Quaret combination (Bedi + Chandra)
7 matches, 710 runs @ 64.54, with 3 hundreds and 2 fifties in 12 innings.

Chandra+Bedi+Prasanna
4 matches, 296 runs @ 49.33, with 1 hundred and 1 fifty in 7 innings.

Can you plz add sachin vs warne and murali

 

[Johan]

Can you plz add sachin vs warne and murali

I mean, it's literally the next post after the pacers one

Tendulkar/Hobbs vs Marshall/McGrath

To put it in context its like the Indian batting of the 2020’s.

www.cricketweb.net

 

[kyear2]

Dude you were caught dead to rights trying to downplay something for McGrath you emphasize day in and day out for Imran.

Why even bother trying to hide it? At least own your hypocrisy

I genuinely wasn't.

You so badly need to turn everything a plus for Imran that it's pathetic.

I said, it's something that can be used in the GOAT bowling argument, but less so in this scenario against Sachin, because Sachin also struggled greatly against the best bowlers of the 90's (arguably his strongest argument to be in the BAB conversation). Hence the numbers discussed aren't an unique negative from that perspective.

It can very much be used against him in the GOAT bowling argument.

How is that not clear to you?

Oh yeah, it doesn't fit the narrative you're pushing.

 

[kyear2]

His record vs two Ws is in 30s because he played them 4 tests vs them in his debut and he didnt play them till next decade and vs donald because he sucked vs sa at home but otherwise brilliant @ sa

Part of his legacy, and quite a substantive part, and "genius" is built both on the fact that he played from such an early age and was brilliant, and the perception that he dominated vs Donald, Wasim, McGrath etc.

That's it, longevity and dominance in the 90's.

 

[kyear2]

Lara doesnt have hundreds vs two Ws and donald. Even the great viv struggled vs hadlee

And yet Lara's averages agast them isn't that far removed from what Sachin managed. Go figure.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

Outside of CW, Sachin, or even Viv Richards is unanimously seen as being better than Marshall as a cricketer. So nothing changed, it seems.

Not just him but they're generally ranked above Hadlee and Imran as well. There's clearly a bias towards batsmen and maybe they're considering limited overs as well.

 

[subshakerz]

I'm willing to accept the argument if we commit to Steven Smith and Joe Root being the two greatest batsmen of all time, it's sadly you who puts old Crickets in a halo, and thus you're unwilling to commit to your arguments, classic.

I told you, this is a strawman. No matter how often you repeat it.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

And yet Lara's averages agast them isn't that far removed from what Sachin managed. Go figure.

See this doesn't make sense whatsoever. Viv "struggled " vs Hadlee yet averaged in the 40s vs him. Sachin averaged in the 30s vs Ws, Donald, Bond, McGrath etc but cue the myriad of excuses not afforded to others: he was young, injured, everyone else struggled etc. But yet, they want to big him up in the same breath for scoring 100s as a teen. Smh !!

 

[Johan]

I told you, this is a strawman. No matter how often you repeat it.

I told you, it's not a strawman, no matter how often you say that it is.

 

[subshakerz]

See this doesn't make sense whatsoever. Viv "struggled " vs Hadlee yet averaged in the 40s vs him. Sachin averaged in the 30s vs Ws, Donald, Bond, McGrath etc but cue the myriad of excuses not afforded to others: he was young, injured, everyone else struggled etc. But yet, they want to big him up in the same breath for scoring 100s as a teen. Smh !!

Literally nobody argues that Tendulkar dominated those guys. But yeah I know context makes your head hurt so we don't have to go into again.

 

[subshakerz]

I genuinely wasn't.

You so badly need to turn everything a plus for Imran that it's pathetic.

I said, it's something that can be used in the GOAT bowling argument, but less so in this scenario against Sachin, because Sachin also struggled greatly against the best bowlers of the 90's (arguably his strongest argument to be in the BAB conversation). Hence the numbers discussed aren't an unique negative from that perspective.

It can very much be used against him in the GOAT bowling argument.

How is that not clear to you?

Oh yeah, it doesn't fit the narrative you're pushing.

We are talking about your statement on McGrath. Address that and tell us how it's not downplaying it.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

alright, coming back to this

Glenn McGrath
24 matches, 2,041 runs @ 46.38, 6 hundreds, 7 fifties in 46 innings.

Allan Donald
10 matches, 681 runs @ 34.03, 0 hundreds, 6 fifties in 20 innings

Shaun Pollock
15 matches, 1,245 runs @ 42.93, 2 hundreds and 8 fifties in 29 innings

Wasim Akram
7 matches, 394 runs @ 30.30, 0 hundreds and 2 fifties in 13 innings.

Waqar Younis
6 matches, 354 runs @ 32.18, 0 hundreds and 2 fifties in 11 innings.

Shane Bond
4 matches, 237 runs @ 39.50, 0 hundreds and 2 fifties in 6 innings

Shane Warne
20 matches, 1,837 runs @ 54.02, 5 hundreds and 7 fifties in 36 innings.

Muttiah Muralidharan
9 matches, 1,166 runs @ 77.73, 5 hundreds and 2 fifties in 16 innings.

never played against Shoaib and Steyn weirdly

Thank you my friend. Seems as we all already knew, Lara struggled with the faster pace of the WWs and Allan. But more than held his own vs everyone else. I also suspect that had he played Walsh and Ambrose, he'd make runs vs them. In '94 Red Stripe tournament Lara had scores of 2, 84, 180 and 23 vs Ambrose and the Benjamins then Walsh with Rose and Perry.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

Literally nobody argues that Tendulkar dominated those guys. But yeah I know context makes your head hurt so we don't have to go into again.

"Context" my behind. Context = "excuses" for players you favor but nobody else.

 

[shortpitched713]

Tbf as cricketers, I can see why.

Why though? If you're talking about secondary skills for Viv and Sachin, then Marshall wasn't exactly a mug with the bat, and more than fine in the outfield as well.

 

[Johan]

OMG Goated stats against all great bolwers of his time

Yeah Viv's legendary against good bowling

 

[Sliferxxxx]

Why though? If you're talking about secondary skills for Viv and Sachin, then Marshall wasn't exactly a mug with the bat, and more than fine in the outfield as well.

The longevity argument for Sachin is legitimate and if one includes ODis (which i suspect many do) then Sachin wins , ditto Viv. But by pure skill level in tests, Marshall over both any day of the week.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Why though? If you're talking about secondary skills for Viv and Sachin, then Marshall wasn't exactly a mug with the bat, and more than fine in the outfield as well.

ODIs exists for the masses.

 

[The Sean]

now for the final round...Viv Richards

Dennis Lillee [WSC included]
12 matches, 2,032 runs @ 53.47 with 5 hundreds in 40 innings.

Imran Khan
14 matches, 1,074 runs @ 46.69 with 2 hundreds and 7 fifties in 24 innings.

80s Imran Khan
9 matches, 817 runs @ 58.35 with 2 hundreds and 5 fifties in 15 innings.

Richard Hadlee
7 matches, 387 runs @ 43.00, with 1 hundred and 2 fifties in 10 innings

Prime Ian Botham
9 matches, 719 runs @ 71.90, with 3 hundreds and 2 fifties in 11 innings.

Bob Willis
9 matches, 969 runs @ 88.09 with 3 hundreds and 4 fifties in 12 innings, all games in England where Willis averaged 21.28 when not bowling to Viv.

Wasim Akram
4 matches, 355 runs @ 50.71, with 1 hundred and 1 fifty in seven innings

Indian Spin Quaret combination (Bedi + Chandra)
7 matches, 710 runs @ 64.54, with 3 hundreds and 2 fifties in 12 innings.

Chandra+Bedi+Prasanna
4 matches, 296 runs @ 49.33, with 1 hundred and 1 fifty in 7 innings.

Incredible record against the very best, as befits his reputation.

So which trunders did he keep flopping against to end up so perilously close to averaging sub-50?!

 

[capt_Luffy]

The longevity argument for Sachin is legitimate and if one includes ODis (which i suspect many do) then Sachin wins , ditto Viv. But by pure skill level in tests, Marshall over both any day of the week.

How do you exactly judge the pure skill level of a bowler against a batsman??