Tell me how a Kane Williamson is an ATG?

[shortpitched713]

He just is. Nyana nyana boo boo.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

There have been more than 2,500 test cricketers.

Number of test cricketers in history with more runs at a higher average than KDub:

Kallis
Sanga
S Smith

 

[Thala_0710]

He isn't

 

[GIMH]

Yeah he’s a great. Use this stuff to rank him lower than the others in the Fab Four by all means but let’s not pretend he’s not a great of the game.

 

[Thala_0710]

Yeah he’s a great. Use this stuff to rank him lower than the others in the Fab Four by all means but let’s not pretend he’s not a great of the game.

Depends on how many people in total are you calling a great of the game

 

[trundler]

Yeah he’s a great. Use this stuff to rank him lower than the others in the Fab Four by all means but let’s not pretend he’s not a great of the game.

Yep I'm all for being a hater because the kiwis on here go a little overboard with suggestions such as Southee being better than Anderson but it's plainly silly to pretend Williamson isn't a great

 

[GIMH]

Depends on how many people in total are you calling a great of the game

381

 

[Athlai]

Yep I'm all for being a hater because the kiwis on here go a little overboard with suggestions such as Southee being better than Anderson but it's plainly silly to pretend Williamson isn't a great

Who thinks this?
Peak Southee > Average Anderson
Peak Anderson > Peak Southee
Average Anderson > Average Southee
Anderson > Southee

I'm probably one of the biggest Southee fans too

 

[HeathDavisSpeed]

We are talking about whether he has a case as all timers. I feel it’s strictly no.

Rather than repeatedly labouring the point that you don’t rate him, why don’t you read the truly copious amounts of pre-existing threads on this topic to understand why others do (and don’t) and then you can save the rest of us from reading these semantics again.

 

[Rob Wesley]

Yep I'm all for being a hater because the kiwis on here go a little overboard with suggestions such as Southee being better than Anderson but it's plainly silly to pretend Williamson isn't a great

We are talking about whether he has a case as all timers. I feel it’s strictly no.

 

[HeathDavisSpeed]

Yep I'm all for being a hater because the kiwis on here go a little overboard with suggestions such as Southee being better than Anderson but it's plainly silly to pretend Williamson isn't a great

Other than Southee having a vastly superior farewell extravaganza, Southee could no way be favourably compared to Anderson based on career as a whole.

 

[ataraxia]

Funny thing is that due to his late-career (and early-career) shenanigans, Southee's bowling has become severely underrated by NZ fans. Boult and Wagner aren't clearly ahead of him.

 

[GIMH]

Who thinks this?

Flem defo, and probably Fuller Pilch

 

[Ali TT]

There have been more than 2,500 test cricketers.

Number of test cricketers in history with more runs at a higher average than KDub:

Kallis
Sanga
S Smith

Yeah but none of these ATGs either cause Kallis another minnow-basher, Smith not eligible cause sandpaper gate and Sanga must've stole the highschool girlfriend of a poster on here on something.

 

[Rob Wesley]

If you can barely average 32 vs Australia, South Africa, India, New Zealand,England away then you are simply not good enough to be rated as a test match all time great. Actually, he shouldn’t even be rated a tier below that as well.

Williamson is a Mahela Jayawardene and Mohammad Yousuf level test batsman. That’s it.

Test batters ahead of him among those debuted in last 25 years:-

Steve Smith
Joe Root
Kumar Sangakkara
Younis Khan
AB de Villiers
Hashim Amla
Alastair Cook
Graeme Smith
Virat Kohli
Kevin Pietersen
Michael Clarke
Virender Sehwag

All these players have done better than Williamson away from home vs top opponents.

 

[Northerner]

Performance against top sides away is not an arbitrary definition by any means.

Thats true, Shane Warne was an ATG but struggled in India,

 

[ankitj]

Average in wins

 

[Randomfan]

Performance against top sides away is not an arbitrary definition by any means.

That's an important factor. Great players are supposed to perform in tough tours.