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Stumped!

StephenZA

Hall of Fame Member
So about 10 days ago, I picked up a new/batsmen keeper... what was good is that he was still 21, wanted somebody to help out in dev, and a half decent bat with a wk skill of 10... looking for a backup to Mthombeni in case of injury or just poor condition. Had his first game for TMOs and scored 109 off 64... so good start, that!
 

Jarquis

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Manufactured a decent contest between AA and PP today. Pirates effectively full strength whilst the Astros are playing with 9 (Bilal and Bennett playing as specialist batsmen at 10 & 11).

Gave Hlengwa a shot at opening in a 50 over game. He went okay but even on 9 aggression there was a lot of blocking and pushing.
 

ataraxia

International Coach
Hlengwa opening in SOD isn't going to work for that block-push reason, definitely a flat-pitch-T20 only thing I think. He still lasted 40 balls lol, hax
 

ataraxia

International Coach
@StephenZA Just my 2c below. :)

Batting-wise I reckon you have to get Kock into the top 4. I think he's wasted down at 6 tbh. Otherwise I don't think there's any immediate concern, though another batter would be nice.

Bowling... I reckon those orders were a little sub-optimal; that players could've been utilised a bit better - Passmore should've been bowling more than two over spells, de Klerk bowling 6 out of 12 overs meant he was tired for his 2nd spell. I see you use the same even-number fielding order strategy as I do! (though I set 3s for my economical bowlers often) My current default orders, for comparison:

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It may be worth leaving de Klerk or Guliwe out depending on the pitch; you saw how their BQs dropped off occasionally. It's an interesting setup to put together, anyhow!
 

StephenZA

Hall of Fame Member
@StephenZA Just my 2c below. :)

Batting-wise I reckon you have to get Kock into the top 4. I think he's wasted down at 6 tbh. Otherwise I don't think there's any immediate concern, though another batter would be nice.

Bowling... I reckon those orders were a little sub-optimal; that players could've been utilised a bit better - Passmore should've been bowling more than two over spells, de Klerk bowling 6 out of 12 overs meant he was tired for his 2nd spell. I see you use the same even-number fielding order strategy as I do! (though I set 3s for my economical bowlers often) My current default orders, for comparison:

It may be worth leaving de Klerk or Guliwe out depending on the pitch; you saw how their BQs dropped off occasionally. It's an interesting setup to put together, anyhow!
So the setup was such that I did not change the orders for any of the 9 matches. I just picked the 'best' team I had available and stuck with it.

On the TMOs bowling:
de Klerk and Ncanana are expensive, but they take wickets and have won me many games because of the late innings wickets. Ideally they would share a 4/5/6th bowling spot and I would have another decent allrounder in the team... currently I`m doing everything I can to develop Coetzee and Jupp. I am hoping Jupp and development of Hunt solves my opening bowler problems. Unfortunately Burger and Passmore have poor stamina so longer spells become difficult. Part of this was an experiment to see the effect of two over spells for Passmore before he becomes tired. But I am likely to start increasing number over in spells for my bowlers.

Burgers lack of wickets is a huge problem at the moment. And I don't fully understand it. He is a big part of my overall high bowling rating but is not contributing. I have given him the best opportunity I can to take wickets. Giving him the new ball and setting attacking fields. I understand the argument about lack of experience etc. But compared to 80% of the opposition he bowled to in this 9 match series he is as, if not, more skilled and has as much, if not more, experience than most. Ending up with the highest BQ by a long way compared to any opposition and team bowlers, but taking less wickets. 1/2 the number of wickets that de Klerk took who has the lowest BQ. 4 of Burgers 7 wickets have come against the weakest opposition (sorry Winton!); And this has become standard, big wicket hauls against much weaker opposition but nothing but an occasional single wicket late in the innings (if at all) against similar rated opposition. Based on his skills he is a better later innings bowler long term but I do think he should be doing better than he is. Simply put he is not taking wickets, and when compared to what is going on around him it does not quite make sense why. I am hoping this stabilizes and he becomes a more consistent wicket taking bowler once his speed has maxed out (this will likely happen in a few weeks time). I am not expecting him to dominate every batting line-up every time, but as my best bowler he should be contributing more than he is.

On the TMO batting:
Largely happy, big asset has been Davidson performance. Hopefully he becomes less hit and miss in time but I like him at 3. Good enough defense and great Stamina. Basically if he stays in for most of the innings, TMOs likely be to chase most totals and/or score big. I agree that I would like to have Kock higher in the order, but he has done great at 6 and I do think his extra experience along with Ncanana has helped win TMO some games... but his experience might also help stabilize the top order.

My two biggest issues which effects the line-up is Badenhost and Mthombeni. Badenhost has been a consistent contributor to the TMO batting lineup and has scored match saving runs both when being defensive and later in the innings having to be aggressive. But I don't know where to put him in the order with the batsmen I`ve got. Mthombeni will hopefully become a great wicket keeper. But his poor stamina, gung-ho nature, high SS/Def and low Att has made it difficult for me to find a place for him in the batting order. I tried him at the top because I hoped that the 'in game setup' would prevent him from slogging to early, but also his gung-ho nature would help get me off to a faster starts. He and Levy both have strike rotator abilities. This has been hit and miss, times it seems to have worked other times not so much.
 

JOJOXI

International Vice-Captain
Will be behind with CWC tables- something major popped up so won't have much time for next few days
 

Jarquis

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
All scouting options were terrible - picked the guy who averaged 4 wirh the bat and 140 with the ball.

5(27)/0(28)
 

cnerd123

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Burgers lack of wickets is a huge problem at the moment. And I don't fully understand it. He is a big part of my overall high bowling rating but is not contributing. I have given him the best opportunity I can to take wickets. Giving him the new ball and setting attacking fields. I understand the argument about lack of experience etc. But compared to 80% of the opposition he bowled to in this 9 match series he is as, if not, more skilled and has as much, if not more, experience than most. Ending up with the highest BQ by a long way compared to any opposition and team bowlers, but taking less wickets. 1/2 the number of wickets that de Klerk took who has the lowest BQ. 4 of Burgers 7 wickets have come against the weakest opposition (sorry Winton!); And this has become standard, big wicket hauls against much weaker opposition but nothing but an occasional single wicket late in the innings (if at all) against similar rated opposition. Based on his skills he is a better later innings bowler long term but I do think he should be doing better than he is. Simply put he is not taking wickets, and when compared to what is going on around him it does not quite make sense why. I am hoping this stabilizes and he becomes a more consistent wicket taking bowler once his speed has maxed out (this will likely happen in a few weeks time). I am not expecting him to dominate every batting line-up every time, but as my best bowler he should be contributing more than he is.
I don't think what you've described is actually the best setup to take wickets. The top order is always the hardest to dismiss -they're usually the most skilled, on defensive order, and the ME makes them play defensively more often than not. As you're aware he's more of a line and length bowler than one who bowls wicket-taking balls anyways. He's doing really well to not go for runs even in conditions that don't suit seamers.

To get wickets he probably needs to either come on first change or bowl more at the death -like Ncanana or Passmore do. But in doing so you'll risk not building enough pressure with the new ball, which will then inevitably make it harder for the change bowlers to get breakthroughs anyways.

This is why I say that looking at results in terms of individual bowlers rather than a bowling unit as a whole is the wrong way to go about it. If your system keeps a team to par or below-par scores often enough, it is a system that works. Which bowlers are taking wickets and which ones are bowling economically is not important. The moment you start moving orders around just to get certain bowlers more wickets is when you go wrong. Every bowler has a role to play, and right now it seems Burger's role is to be excellent with the new ball. This may eventually translate to more wickets as his skills, experience and pace go up. But right how you can bank on him for a low economy and creating pressure that leads to wickets at the other end. That's brilliant enough already.

For an insight into how I do it with ZCC - when I play 4 quicks, I have my best two - Chung and Sampath - bowl 1st and 2nd change. They both have the partnership breaker trait, and I instead have Ghani (Hi Acc/Mov) and either Jalal (High Acc/Var and Economical) or Bashir (High Acc/Mov) sharing the new ball. They keep it tight and might produce an early wicket or two, after which Chung and Sampath come on to capitalise on the pressure and break any partnership that is forming. The two of them then come of for a stint in the middle, and another spell at the death.
When I play 3 quicks, I give Chung the new ball and keep Sampath on first change. Then a spell in the middle and again at the death. Sampath has low accuracy but RF with high Mov and Var. Combined with his characteristic he's a great wicket-taking machine, but bleeds runs and therefore can appear toothless with the new ball. So I hold him back and use him in bursts and at the death.

In the past I've opened the bowling with Bikswing Nouding - High Acc/Mov and Chung, and Bikswing was always the bigger wicket-taking threat. Chung has usually taking key wickets in the middle and at the end, and can generally be relied on to not go for too many.
 

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