Steyn/Kallis vs McWarne vs Hobbs/Sutcliffe

[subshakerz]

Which is the ultimate power combo for an average side?

 

[Migara]

WcWarne
The ability to bowl long and bulldoze sides.

 

[DrWolverine]

Bowlers win matches - Imagine Richard Hadlee having arguably the greatest spinner of all time as his partner.

 

[DrWolverine]

Hobbs & Sutcliffe is interesting.

In terms of opening combinations, they are far ahead of any other combo before or after.

Most 100 run partnerships
Greenidge & Haynes : 16 in 148 innings
Hobbs & Sutcliffe : 15 in 38 innings
Hayden & Langer : 14 in 113 innings
Cook & Strauss : 12 in 118 innings

 

[Coronis]

Hobbs & Sutcliffe is interesting.

In terms of opening combinations, they are far ahead of any other combo before or after.

Most 100 run partnerships
Greenidge & Haynes : 16 in 148 innings
Hobbs & Sutcliffe : 15 in 38 innings
Hayden & Langer : 14 in 113 innings
Cook & Strauss : 12 in 118 innings

Underrated partnership in general

Javed Miandad and Shoaib Mohammad

 

[Migara]

Bowlers win matches - Imagine Richard Hadlee having arguably the greatest spinner of all time as his partner.

Murali and Hadlee woukd have sufficed to make a side ATG.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

Bowlers win matches - Imagine Richard Hadlee having arguably the greatest spinner of all time as his partner.

And Hadlee can bat a bit.

 

[kyear2]

McWarne

Years ago I've said and I stick to this, my miubt Rushmore of test cricket.

Bradman

Sobers

McWarne

The WI pace battery.

Nothing and no one have had greater impact on cricket and the shift of power in the game.

So McWarne for me

 

[subshakerz]

McWarne

Years ago I've said and I stick to this, my miubt Rushmore of test cricket.

Bradman

Sobers

McWarne

The WI pace battery.

Nothing and no one have had greater impact on cricket and the shift of power in the game.

So McWarne for me

That's a pretty big Mount Rushmore. You are only allowed four cricketers.

 

[kyear2]

That's a pretty big Mount Rushmore. You are only allowed four cricketers.

No individual or other group changed the landscape of, or impacted the game of cricket more. And there's no way to separate Warne and McGrath.

 

[Coronis]

That's a pretty big Mount Rushmore. You are only allowed four cricketers.

Its more like a Hokage rock at that point.

 

[kyear2]

Its more like a Hokage rock at that point.

All 4 are legitimate in my humble option.

 

[Thala_0710]

That's a pretty big Mount Rushmore. You are only allowed four cricketers.

I think if I were to do a Mount Rushmore for all of cricket history based on both quality and impact around the world it would be:
Grace Bradman Sobers Tendulkar
There are sadly no bowlers there, if there was one with the quality of McGrath and impact of Warne, I would have put him there, but there isn't one imo.

 

[Johan]

Rushmore:

Grace
Hobbs
Bradman
Sobers

everyone else does not distinguish themselves well enough from their peers. Tendulkar often has to fight Lara and Richards (not really a peer but there's some career overlap there) outside of here even if he wins here, Warne always has to fight with his great rival and occasionally Tiger, Marshall has to fight McGrath and so forth. Grace doesn't have to fight any Victorian Cricketer, Hobbs doesn't have to fight any Pre-World I Batsmen, Sobers doesn't have to fight any batting all rounder and Bradman doesn't have to fight any Batsmen.

 

[Thala_0710]

Well for my Mount Rushmore I also took into account, the importance of ODIs (mainly wcs in contemporary cricket) and iconic status. Tendulkar holds pretty much every record (50s, 100s, runs, total appearances etc.) in tests, odis and WC cricket too. As a worldwide icon of cricket, he is the arguably the biggest ever (with Bradman imo).
Hobbs vs Tendulkar can be argued as to who is the better test batsman, but overall taking the above into account, Tendulkar feels to me to be the more appropriate choice.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

McWarne

Years ago I've said and I stick to this, my miubt Rushmore of test cricket.

Bradman

Sobers

McWarne

The WI pace battery.

Nothing and no one have had greater impact on cricket and the shift of power in the game.

So McWarne for me

Mount Rushmore of impact in terms of team dynamics and dynasty building: agreed. The core of the Invincibles was the Don, of the 80s WI the pace bowlers, 2000 Aussies McWarne. Sobers i guess just for his all round greatness.

 

[Johan]

Well for my Mount Rushmore I also took into account, the importance of ODIs (mainly wcs in contemporary cricket) and iconic status. Tendulkar holds pretty much every record (50s, 100s, runs, total appearances etc.) in tests, odis and WC cricket too. As a worldwide icon of cricket, he is the arguably the biggest ever (with Bradman imo).
Hobbs vs Tendulkar can be argued as to who is the better test batsman, but overall taking the above into account, Tendulkar feels to me to be the more appropriate choice.

I pretty much went by their transcendence over their peers and closest competitors, to me Hobbs is easily the second greatest Batman ever but moreso it's the way he transcended fellow brilliant players who were all peers to each other (Trumper, Hill, Faulkner, Bardsley) that made me put him there. Tendulkar is not a bad choice at all either. Other three are obvious though, very obvious.

 

[Thala_0710]

Yeah Hobbs, Imran, Viv, McGrath and Warne are all pretty good choices imo.
If there would exist a hypothetical bowler that combined the quality and performances of McGrath, with the importance and icon status of Warne, I would have picked him, but there doesn't. Imran is probably the closest (especially with the captaincy and 92 WC win element), but I'll stick with Tendulkar although either is a good choice.

 

[Cricket Bliss]

Will choose Kallis/Steyn because you get a bowler to make the old ball new and a top tier slip fielder barring the primary disciple.

If purely on primary discipline…then Warne , McGrath.

 

[Cricket Bliss]

On Sub Continent wickets I guess purely in primary discipline Kallis/Steyn would be more useful.