subshakerz
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Even when he is doing yoga.
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Steyn. Ambrose. Imran.
- Thread starter DrWolverine
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sayon basak
International Coach
Great response, but I hope you realize that he was nothing close to Barnes.
Johan
Hall of Fame Member
He wasn't even seen as better than Spofforth or Turner was he?
sayon basak
International Coach
Better than Turner, but not better than Spofforth.
sayon basak
International Coach
Elaborate.
vidiq
State Regular
Why he is not close?, his bowling srike rate is lowest in test cricket history.
sayon basak
International Coach
He was great. It's just that he got those numbers against weaker teams.
I rate him fairly high, top 40 among non-spinners I believe.
Johan
Hall of Fame Member
He bowled on some landmines, the bowling average in his games is 16.78, the bowlers other than him are averaging 18.15, in Ashes tests his average is 13.01 and the rest of the bowlers are averaging 17.32, probably a great bowler but certainly not close to Barnes.
DrWolverine
International Captain
Spofforth. Lohmann. Barnes.
They may have been greats then but they should not even be compared to modern bowers in my opinion.
They may have been greats then but they should not even be compared to modern bowers in my opinion.
sayon basak
International Coach
Yeah, him and Turner are very close; mere checklisting won't say that. Spofforth was seen universally as a better bowler.
sayon basak
International Coach
Do you even realize that Barnes was from a completely different era? Or you just look at their black and white pictures to put them in one group?
subshakerz
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
His pose.
sayon basak
International Coach
Oh I thought you meant something serious lol.
subshakerz
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Johan
Hall of Fame Member
for reference, How much further other ATG bowlers are than their peers
Lohmann: 13.01
Rest: 17.32
Ratio: 1.33
Barnes: 16.43
Rest: 28.19
Ratio: 1.71
Steyn: 22.95
Rest: 34.57
Ratio: 1.50
Lillee: 23.92
Rest: 31.28
Ratio: 1.36
all had good support bowlers
Johan
Hall of Fame Member
Trumble was having a peak during Barnes's "era" and that era is highlighted because Barnes played 3 games in a timeframe that overlapped with Trumble's career, Trumble's career stats are 21.56 even tho played on even more bowling friendly wickets than Barnes. Blythe is fair but he's not rated as highly because he was average on good batting wickets in Australia. Sensational bowler at home tho.
subshakerz
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I guess it does take some of the luster off from Barnes if there is another exceptionally averaged bowler in that era.
Johan
Hall of Fame Member
Barnes is about 3-5 points ahead of his peers, pretty similar amount as Steyn is ahead of his peers
Agonizingly Awkward
School Boy/Girl Captain
Ambrose is clearly better than Imran and Steyn is clearly better than Ambrose.