Steve Smith vs Sachin Tendulkar (after 205 innings)

[DrWolverine]

Not denying it

But to reach the masses you need a good story

 

[Johan]

Yeah Hutton is kinda like Hadlee in this regard, super important to English how Hadlee is to Kiwis, but not necessarily a cricketing cultural icon.

 

[kyear2]

How many portray Tendulkar that way on CW? Don't make a false presentation.

I don't think he is ever or rarely presented as having no competition with Hobbs and Sobers or even Viv.

You only do it when you're trying to crucify Lara, but there are some, even within the past week that have stated that he's clear of all but Hobbs, and with a clear gap, including @capt_Luffy , @Patience and Accuracy+Gut , even @Coronis stating that he's clear of Sobers as well.

The only distinction that Sachin has is his longevity, because even in his own era he was never clear of Lara initially and then the plethora of batters in the 2000's.

His record against the great bowlers of the 90's isn't exactly how it's portrayed by some either and besides @Johan everyone tried to ignore it.

I think Sachin is superb and has a good an argument as any to be the best after Bradman and for me that's a small group of exactly 4. But to suggest that he's somewhat superceded the others and in a little tier of his own, is a bit far.

As far as Smith goes, he's easily cleared those 2nd tier of batsmen with whom he's statistically comparable, the Ponting's, Kallis's etc, partially because he has continued to be productive in this live pitch era. But at this point in his career he's statistically basically still Ponting Sanga etc. He's done enough to be above them and firmly entrenched in my top 8 (currently 6th), but a bit more to be in the best after Bradman primary conversation or to be fully compared to those 4 guys.

That's just my personal opinion.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

There probably is a bit recency bias with Smith but I expect his rating as well as the rest of the Fab 4’s to drop a bit by the end of their careers

 

[capt_Luffy]

I think my position here has always been clear really. There is nothing big between Sachin and say Sobers, Viv or Lara; I just don't find a case for any of them over him much viable.

 

[Coronis]

You only do it when you're trying to crucify Lara, but there are some, even within the past week that have stated that he's clear of all but Hobbs, and with a clear gap, including @capt_Luffy , @Patience and Accuracy+Gut , even @Coronis stating that he's clear of Sobers as well.

The only distinction that Sachin has is his longevity, because even in his own era he was never clear of Lara initially and then the plethora of batters in the 2000's.

His record against the great bowlers of the 90's isn't exactly how it's portrayed by some either and besides @Johan everyone tried to ignore it.

I think Sachin is superb and has a good an argument as any to be the best after Bradman and for me that's a small group of exactly 4. But to suggest that he's somewhat superceded the others and in a little tier of his own, is a bit far.

As far as Smith goes, he's easily cleared those 2nd tier of batsmen with whom he's statistically comparable, the Ponting's, Kallis's etc, partially because he has continued to be productive in this live pitch era. But at this point in his career he's statistically basically still Ponting Sanga etc. He's done enough to be above them and firmly entrenched in my top 8 (currently 6th), but a bit more to be in the best after Bradman primary conversation or to be fully compared to those 4 guys.

That's just my personal opinion.

For the nth time, clear does not mean big.

 

[ataraxia]

Bradman

Hobbs/Tendulkar/Sobers/Hutton/Lara/Smith/Viv/Gavaskar

Hammond/Sutcliffe/Pollock/Border/Kallis/Sangakkara/Chappell/Waugh/Root/Ponting/Dravid/Barrington/Trumper

Weekes/Nourse/Miandad/Walcott/ABD/Compton/Harvey/Younis/Williamson/Kohli/Kanhai/May/Boycott/Worrell/Flower/Lloyd/Crowe

Greenidge/Amla/Chanderpaul/Mitchell/Smith/Simpson/Hayden/Cook/Inzamam/Sehwag/McCabe/Pietersen/Laxman/Clarke/Cowdrey/Jayawardene/Gilchrist/Gooch/Herbie/Gower/Yousuf/Lawry/Hazare/Morris/Ponsford/Hanif/Dexter/Hunte/Hussey/Kirsten/Hassett

You forgot Hendren.

 

[subshakerz]

You only do it when you're trying to crucify Lara, but there are some, even within the past week that have stated that he's clear of all but Hobbs, and with a clear gap, including @capt_Luffy , @Patience and Accuracy+Gut , even @Coronis stating that he's clear of Sobers as well.

So even with these supposedly radical pro-Tendulkar opinions they still put Hobbs as a contender to Tendulkar.

 

[subshakerz]

Yeah Hutton is kinda like Hadlee in this regard, super important to English how Hadlee is to Kiwis, but not necessarily a cricketing cultural icon.

Hadlees is solely because he is from NZ.

 

[capt_Luffy]

You forgot Hendren.

Was torn up on him and Thorpe. Probs belongs with Hassett there

 

[akilana]

A lot of this is true.

Yet he's then elevated to a point where he's clear of the other guys in his grouping.

None of them are perfect and he's no exception.

for a batsman that's supposed to be no 2, he lacks big series where he dominated and won the series for india. dravid and laxman have featured heavily in some of the best wins for india. Even sangakkara has won a series by himself in NZ with some great performances.. sachin fans' arguments are he has a great record(thanks to cricinfo where they checked), longevity and best prodigy..

 

[govinda indian fan]

for a batsman that's supposed to be no 2, he lacks big series where he dominated and won the series for india. dravid and laxman have featured heavily in some of the best wins for india. Even sangakkara has won a series by himself in NZ with some great performances.. sachin fans' arguments are he has a great record(thanks to cricinfo where they checked), longevity and best prodigy..

Ok can you plz tell me how many series did steve smith won on his own?

 

[sledger]

I sometimes wonder if Smith's ban for being a cheat helped him tbh. Other players never really get such a chance to rest and recharge for such a long period, so it probably helped to prevent him from tailing off. Bit of an advantage he holds in relation to others.

 

[akilana]

You only do it when you're trying to crucify Lara, but there are some, even within the past week that have stated that he's clear of all but Hobbs, and with a clear gap, including @capt_Luffy , @Patience and Accuracy+Gut , even @Coronis stating that he's clear of Sobers as well.

The only distinction that Sachin has is his longevity, because even in his own era he was never clear of Lara initially and then the plethora of batters in the 2000's.

His record against the great bowlers of the 90's isn't exactly how it's portrayed by some either and besides @Johan everyone tried to ignore it.

I think Sachin is superb and has a good an argument as any to be the best after Bradman and for me that's a small group of exactly 4. But to suggest that he's somewhat superceded the others and in a little tier of his own, is a bit far.

As far as Smith goes, he's easily cleared those 2nd tier of batsmen with whom he's statistically comparable, the Ponting's, Kallis's etc, partially because he has continued to be productive in this live pitch era. But at this point in his career he's statistically basically still Ponting Sanga etc. He's done enough to be above them and firmly entrenched in my top 8 (currently 6th), but a bit more to be in the best after Bradman primary conversation or to be fully compared to those 4 guys.

That's just my personal opinion.

if sachin was south african, he'd be kallis. smith has surpassed both sachin and kallis. kallis and sachin are consistent run accumulators and almost never changed a series on its head.

 

[Coronis]

I sometimes wonder if Smith's ban for being a cheat helped him tbh. Other players never really get such a chance to rest and recharge for such a long period, so it probably helped to prevent him from tailing off. Bit of an advantage he holds in relation to others.

I did wonder if he was a bit burnt out after that last Ashes. He very much struggled that SA series, and he hadn’t exactly done well against Bangladesh in that previous series.

Ashes 2019 did feel very surreal, felt like was either going to be yep he’s still got it or Smith’s done. (and then he did better than anyone thought he would’ve)

 

[sledger]

Yeah it feels like one of those weird perverse incentive type things, where being a cheater is actually rewarded.