Split these cricketers into tiers

[sayon basak]

In chronological order:

Miller
Sobers
Greig
Hadlee
Imran
Botham
Kapil
Cairns
Pollock
Kallis
Flintoff
Ashwin
Shakib
Jadeja
Stokes

 

[honestbharani]

Allrounders -

Awesome - Sobers, Hadlee, Imran, Jadeja, Shakib

Amazing - Miller, Kallis, Botham, Pollock, Kapil, Ashwin

Alsorans - Stokes, Cairns, Flintoff, Greig

 

[ataraxia]

Sobers
Imran

Hadlee
Kallis
Miller

Pollock

Botham
Jadeja

Ashwin
Shakib
Kapil

Stokes
Cairns
Flintoff
Greig

 

[Line and Length]

Sobers

Imran
Kallis
Miller
Hadlee

Botham
Pollock

Kapil
Ashwin
Shakib
GreIg
Stokes

Jadeja
Cairns
Flintoff

 

[Al Salvador]

Sobers
Imran
Miller
Hadlee
Kallis

Botham
Pollock

Kapil
Stokes
Ashwin
Jadeja

Cairns
Flintoff
Greig

 

[shortpitched713]

Roughly, and not ordered within tiers. I think bowers generall have more value, so these comparisons are a bit weird, but this is my personal best go.

Imran
Hadlee
Pollock

Sobers

Kallis
Miller
Ashwin

Botham
Kapil
Jadeja
Greig

Shakib
Stokes
Cairns
Flintoff

 

[shortpitched713]

Hadlee
Imran

Kallis
Miller

Pollock
Botham
Dev
Ashwin
Jadeja
Stokes

rest

ranked as I see them

You forgot Sobers

 

[Johan]

Roughly, and not ordered within tiers. I think bowers generall have more value, so these comparisons are a bit weird, but this is my personal best go.

Imran
Hadlee
Pollock

Sobers

Kallis
Miller
Ashwin

Botham
Kapil
Jadeja
Greig

Shakib
Stokes
Cairns
Flintoff

Pollock over Sobers....

 

[ma1978]

You forgot Sobers

same as Imran and Hadlee. Don’t see any real distinctoon

 

[shortpitched713]

Pollock over Sobers....

The best thing you can do for a team is be an ATG level ace bowler. Pollock was that for enough of his career. Sobers never was.

 

[Johan]

The best thing you can do for a team is be an ATG level ace bowler. Pollock was that for enough of his career. Sobers never was.

Pollock the bowler doesn't even come close to being as high as Sobers the Batsman, and is not as valuable as Sobers the bat even with a bit of a bowler>bat amp.

 

[Migara]

Sobers
Hadlee
Imran
Kallis

Miller
Pollock

Botham
Kapil
Greig

Ashwin
Jadeja
Stokes
Shakib

Cairns
Flintoff

 

[shortpitched713]

Pollock the bowler doesn't even come close to being as high as Sobers the Batsman, and is not as valuable as Sobers the bat even with a bit of a bowler>bat amp.

Nah

 

[Johan]

Nah

Might as well say Mohammad Shami > Virat Kohli at this rate.

 

[shortpitched713]

Might as well say Mohammad Shami > Virat Kohli at this rate.

Every bowler has a higher value proposition (i.e. potential and ability to win/highly turn a match on their own) than any specialist batsman. That's just how the maths of Test cricket works out.

 

[Johan]

Every bowler has a higher value proposition (i.e. potential and ability to win/highly turn a match on their own) than any specialist bowler. That's just how the maths of Test cricket works out.

Read what you said again.

 

[shortpitched713]

Read what you said again.

Lol, edited.

 

[Johan]

Lol, edited.

Anyway, I disagree, bowlers are marginally more valuable but a team need both to be functional, a batting heavy team with mediocre bowling (England) would beat a bowling heavy team with mediocre batting (South Africa) in neutral conditions.

 

[shortpitched713]

Anyway, I disagree, bowlers are marginally more valuable but a team need both to be functional, a batting heavy team with mediocre bowling (England) would beat a bowling heavy team with mediocre batting (South Africa) in neutral conditions.

We generally compare individuals here.

And in addition to the fact that there are less players impacting the bowling side than the batting side which inherently makes that more valuable. There is also the fact that in particular for your ace bowler you can utilize him in precisely the most clutch, high leverage moments in a way you really can't guarantee with a batsman coming in at his set lineup time only.

At the top end there simply isn't a comparison in value between A bowler and A batsman, not in Test cricket anyway.

 

[Johan]

We generally compare individuals here.

And in addition to the fact that there are less players impacting the bowling side than the batting side which inherently makes that more valuable. There is also the fact that in particular for your ace bowler you can utilize him in precisely the most clutch, high leverage moments in a way you really can't guarantee with a batsman coming in at his set lineup time only.

At the top end there simply isn't a comparison in value between A bowler and A batsman, not in Test cricket anyway.

Sure, bowlers generally have some advantages as you listed but they also have an earlier expiration date, you have to worry about their bowling load management a lot more and they miss games a lot more. While the bowlers have a slight edge in match impact, Batsmen make up for it by far greater availability.

another thing, a Batsman when in red hot form is very hard to contain and an immediate problem, a bowler in red hot form can be an immediate problem but if you survive six balls, someone else would come in for six balls, and then if you survive the onslaught of 5-6 overs from that bowler, regardless of form a weaker bowler would get in and there's no guarantee the second spell of the ace bowler would be as lethal. That's an advantage batsmen have.

though I think one being massively more useful than other is counter intuitive to the very point of the game and that is both are important and team composition is all about balancing both