Sourav Ganguly vs Kumar Sangakkara

[DrWolverine]

Late 1990s Ganguly was one of the best

 

[capt_Luffy]

Also have read that Sanga back then was worse than his stats, especially SR. Apparently had a big problem accelerating as needed and killed team momentum many a times.

No, Himannv is not my sole source on this.

 

[Thala_0710]

Also have read that Sanga back then was worse than his stats, especially SR. Apparently had a big problem accelerating as needed and killed team momentum many a times.

No, Himannv is not my sole source on this.

I would argue the same with Ganguly... Sanga only had Jayasuriya to cover up the SR... Ind had Tendulkar Sehwag Yuvraj etc... So it affected the team less

 

[capt_Luffy]

I would argue the same with Ganguly... Sanga only had Jayasuriya to cover up the SR... Ind had Tendulkar Sehwag Yuvraj etc... So it affected the team less

Doesn't it means it suited Ganguly's style of play significantly more as well?

 

[Thala_0710]

Late 1990s Ganguly was one of the best
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He definitely was... Top 5 ish here for me

 

[Thala_0710]

Doesn't it means it suited Ganguly's style of play significantly more as well?

As in?

 

[sayon basak]

It's ODIs, so who cares?

 

[sayon basak]

As in?

As in your ass.

 

[Thala_0710]

As in your ass.

Who invited you here

 

[capt_Luffy]

As in?

As in the team suited his playing style more than Sanga's did his. You need one grinder alongside dashers. I will also say, to an extent, I don't find ODI stats the most reliable, but that's a different argument. Here, my main argument really is they have close stats as it is, but there peaks were in significantly different eras.

 

[Thala_0710]

As in the team suited his playing style more than Sanga's did his. I will also say, to ab extent, I don't find ODI stats the most reliable, but that's a different argument. Here, my main argument really is they have close stats as it is, but there peaks were in significantly different eras.

Yeah but it's just the peak... And their peak numbers are clearly different too... They're again close by era adjustment...
My point is against the top teams + the WCs, Sanga is clearly better... So I don't see how Ganguly could be said to be comfortably better

 

[capt_Luffy]

Yeah but it's just the peak... And their peak numbers are clearly different too... They're again close by era adjustment...
My point is against the top teams + the WCs, Sanga is clearly better... So I don't see how Ganguly could be said to be comfortably better

1 run avg and 5 SR, SR boost especially for eras is on the smaller side I feel.
My point is really that I feel Sanga was a dud before 2010s, so 2/3 of his career. Ganguly less than half. And I think I don't take ODI stats that much on face value but look at reputation and such relatively more. Idk, I just don't find them that useful often.

 

[Thala_0710]

And I don't find the ODI stats that reliable too tbh... I just think in this case what happens is if someone performs well early career and fails later on, we see the earlier one as true quality and the latter as under performance....
When the opposite happens, we see the late surge as over performance which are both basically of equal value

 

[Thala_0710]

1 run avg and 5 SR, SR boost especially for eras is on the smaller side I feel.

If you're comparing peaks, compare only the peak numbers which are about 8 run avg and 10 SR

My point is really that I feel Sanga was a dud before 2010s, so 2/3 of his career. Ganguly less than half. And I think I don't take ODI stats that much on face value but look at reputation and such relatively more. Idk, I just don't find them that useful often.

He was, I agree. But so was Ganguly, to the point he got dropped in 2005. He debuted in 92 as well but couldn't find a place till 2006. So sanga has 3 years of longevity on him too

 

[capt_Luffy]

If you're comparing peaks, compare only the peak numbers which are about 8 run avg and 10 SR

He was, I agree. But so was Ganguly, to the point he got dropped in 2005. He debuted in 92 as well but couldn't find a place till 2006. So sanga has 3 years of longevity on him too

Doesn't that mean around equal peaks but much better post peak career.
Sanga has some longevity yes. Though as much I read, dropping Ganguly in 92 was pretty pointless, almost as much as giving him the cap. And while he kinda had that drop coming, it was the Chappell saga part.

 

[ankitj]

I don't think Sangakkara ever had a phase when he was seen as one of the top 3 ODI batsmen. Ganguly did.

 

[capt_Luffy]

I don't think Sangakkara ever had a phase when he was seen as one of the top 3 ODI batsmen. Ganguly did.

2015 WC phase?

 

[Thala_0710]

I don't think Sangakkara ever had a phase when he was seen as one of the top 3 ODI batsmen. Ganguly did.

You could argue early 2010s for Sanga too... But I'd not have either one tbh... Tendulkar, Bevan and Anwar were better in the late 90s...and I'd take Jayasuriya over him too

 

[ankitj]

2015 WC phase?

Not anymore than say Shakib in 2019 world cup.

ODI cricket is really far less about raw stats. Ganguly was a set-the-tone kind of opener who also frequently went big. Sangakkara was a middle over accumulator who AFAIR rarely changed the momentum of the innings, a bit like Kallis.

 

[Thala_0710]

ODI cricket is really far less about raw stats. Ganguly was a set-the-tone kind of opener

Can't really agree with that. That was always Tendulkar and Sehwag later on. Ganguly was always more of the guy who planned to bat long, like early career Rohit was