Smith vs Lara vs Viv - Who has had the best god mode?

[Coronis]

Despite salty's salty tears, Lara winning this is a delicious triumph of justice.

For the record, unsure what Lara’s god mode has to do with his and Tendulkar’s overall record and comparison.

 

[honestbharani]

For the record, unsure what Lara’s god mode has to do with his and Tendulkar’s overall record and comparison.

It has nothing to do with either or my post.

 

[Coronis]

It has nothing to do with either or my post.

Ah just classic CC/PC shenanigans. Wonder what the record is for most posts where a thread stayed on topic. Can’t be too long, surely

 

[subshakerz]

Despite salty's salty tears, Lara winning this is a delicious triumph of justice.

Dude I expected Lara to win this, I literally said I rate his series performances the highest.

 

[OverratedSanity]

That's after Wasim's drop off began, as per you , and yes Waqar was done.

Wasim bowled superbly in that entire India tour- asian championship tour. Control of swing and seam was close to his very best.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

Nobody has issues with Lara and that series but several try to downplay Tendulkar in 99 even though he was more consistent.

Not me and you know this. Hugs

 

[Kirkut]

This post has me wondering - not sure there’s a way to do this on statsguru, but I’d be curious to see what kind of stats certain players have depending on length of series.

Peak Smith is an invincible run machine if you ignore the aesthetics and strike rate, and this might be more visible in a longer test series such as that of 5 or 6 tests.

Peak Viv would destroy any attack but still he wasn't your typical accumulator, which is why his stats would look more impressive in a typical 3 test series.

Lara at his peak was a run machine too with a far superior score in aesthetics and strike rate over Smith. However, when it comes to accumulating runs in any conditions at any situation, I'd still give an edge to Smith over Lara.

 

[Kirkut]

Lara has a cap against pure quality pace. Viv can godmode against any attack. So can Smith perhaps.

However 99 Aus by Lara is the greatest series ever.

Smith is easily the least watchable of the three.

However, he leads when it comes to accumulating runs. He wouldn't psychologically harm the bowler but instead would score useful runs without worrying about boundaries and gets the job done.

 

[subshakerz]

Smith is easily the least watchable of the three.

However, he leads when it comes to accumulating runs. He wouldn't psychologically harm the bowler but instead would score useful runs without worrying about boundaries and gets the job done.

Vote

 

[kyear2]

Huh? I am referring to his own views.

No, what you do is pick up on obscure comments from the past and try to nail people to them.

Like a gotcha moment. It's ridiculous.

 

[kyear2]

Wasim wasn't by all means a poor bowler then, he could occasionally be worldclass and he definitely was that series. You would know if you watched it.

I never said he was poor.

His decline had begun though and Wasim was always capable of magic.

None of that takes away from the fact that he was past his prime..

 

[kyear2]

Ok can say the same about Lara 05 series down under. Got fcked up decisions throughout, still averaged 57.

It amuses me to hear him talk about context and biased umpiring.

Apparently context only matters in some scenarios.

 

[subshakerz]

I never said he was poor.

His decline had begun though and Wasim was always capable of magic.

None of that takes away from the fact that he was past his prime..

He bowled excellent that series.but Tendulkar played him well

 

[Johan]

@Johan was it you that did a break down of how the best batsmen did against the top bowlers of their era?

Viv, Sachin, Sobers, Lara, Smith, Hutton?

Yes.

Viv emerged with by far the best numbers against the ATG pacers of his era, Sachin emerged a bit ahead of Lara and Smith I think solely due to Steyn, Smith and Lara were in a similar position. Viv was leading the pack quite decisively there. The actual output of Lara and Sachin against the Great lineups was actually quite similar but Subs insisted the fact that Cronje dismissed Sachin more than Donald means the issues are with Cronje and not Donald and that was somehow better, I don't know

Hutton research was different, mostly me mentioning how absurd his achievements against Lindwall's crew and his 80 average against NSW which had likes of Lindwall, Johnston, Miller and such

 

[kyear2]

Yes.

Viv emerged with by far the best numbers against the ATG pacers of his era, Sachin emerged a bit ahead of Lara and Smith I think solely due to Steyn, Smith and Lara were in a similar position. Viv was leading the pack quite decisively there. The actual output of Lara and Sachin against the Great lineups was actually quite similar but Subs insisted the fact that Cronje dismissed Sachin more than Donald means the issues are with Cronje and not Donald and that was somehow better, I don't know

Hutton research was different, mostly me mentioning how absurd his achievements against Lindwall's crew and his 80 average against NSW which had likes of Lindwall, Johnston, Miller and such

Welcome back

Yeah, that's what I remembered.

How did Sobers measure up compared to Smith, Lara and Sachin?

 

[Johan]

Welcome back

Yeah, that's what I remembered.

How did Sobers measure up compared to Smith, Lara and Sachin?

Sobers would likely be closer to Viv, of the four ATG pacemen he faced in Lillee, Trueman, Lindwall and Davidson, he has hundreds against all of them except Lindwall and his average in games with Davidson and Trueman is north of 50, his average with Lillee there is 48, with Lindwall 38. Would be really close to Viv.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

Yes.

Viv emerged with by far the best numbers against the ATG pacers of his era, Sachin emerged a bit ahead of Lara and Smith I think solely due to Steyn, Smith and Lara were in a similar position. Viv was leading the pack quite decisively there. The actual output of Lara and Sachin against the Great lineups was actually quite similar but Subs insisted the fact that Cronje dismissed Sachin more than Donald means the issues are with Cronje and not Donald and that was somehow better, I don't know

Hutton research was different, mostly me mentioning how absurd his achievements against Lindwall's crew and his 80 average against NSW which had likes of Lindwall, Johnston, Miller and such

So I'm curious to know how Lara and Sachin did collectively vs the great pace bowlers that they both faced : Ws, Pollock, Donald, Bond etc.

 

[Johan]

So I'm curious to know how Lara and Sachin did collectively vs the great pace bowlers that they both faced : Ws, Pollock, Donald, Bond etc.

Dead even, or IIRC Lara had the edge against McGrath and Pollock, Sachin against The Ws and neither against Donald, Subs's argument there was Sachin was comfortable against Donald but dismissed by Cronje

 

[Sliferxxxx]

Dead even, or IIRC Lara had the edge against McGrath and Pollock, Sachin against The Ws and neither against Donald, Subs's argument there was Sachin was comfortable against Donald but dismissed by Cronje

Which i interpret as, those teams needed their best to dismiss Lara but their part timers kept Sachin in check?? Thoughts...

 

[subshakerz]

Which i interpret as, those teams needed their best to dismiss Lara but their part timers kept Sachin in check?? Thoughts...

I mean, that's my point. Tendulkar didn't particularly struggle against Donald the way Lara did.

If you said how they did against SA it would be roughly equal.