Sid Barnes vs Lindsay Hassett

[sayon basak]

Better batsman?

 

[Coronis]

Barnes possibly should’ve ended up better, but Hassett had the better career.

 

[sayon basak]

Barnes possibly should’ve ended up better, but Hassett had the better career.

Who do you reckon had the better FC career?

 

[Coronis]

Who do you reckon had the better FC career?

Hassett

 

[Thala_0710]

Barnes possibly should’ve ended up better, but Hassett had the better career.

Agree

 

[sayon basak]

Lindsay Hassett's performance when one of Bill O'Reilly, Clarrie Grimmett, Ray Lindwall, Alec Bedser, Jim Laker, Hugh Tayfield, Hedley Verity, Alan Davidson or Fred Trueman was bowling for the opponent team (number of times he was dismissed by those bowlers in brackets):

131 innings; 6234 runs @ 53.74

vs Bill O'Reilly:
16 innings; 942 runs @ 58.88; 6 50's, 3 100's (4 times)
Hassett was famous for his ability to take on Bill O'Reilly and hit him over the top. He became the only player to score two centuries in a match against Bill O'Reilly. O'Reilly conceded that Hassett played his bowling better than any other batsman. O'Reilly once told his teammates: "Nobody has ever kept me out like that little bastard."

vs Ray Lindwall:
19 innings; 1095 runs @ 57.63; 3 50's, 4 100's (twice)

vs Clarrie Grimmett:
21 innings; 1009 runs @ 53.11; 5 50's, 3 100's (7 times)

vs Alec Bedser:
44 innings; 2083 runs @ 49.6; 9 50's, 7 100's (11 times)

vs Brian Statham:
6 innings; 420 runs @ 70; 0 50's, 2 100's (once)

vs Hugh Tayfield:
17 innings; 813 runs @ 47.82; 3 50's, 3 100's (3 times)

vs Jim Laker:
14 innings; 477 runs @ 36.69; 3 50's, 1 100's (once)

vs Hedley Verity:
11 innings; 364 @ 33.09; 3 50's, 0 100's (3 times)

vs Fred Trueman:
Only played one match against him. Scored 53 & 10 in two innings. Bedser and Laker were also bowling in this match.

vs Alan Davidson:
Played two matches against him. Scored 14 & 7 in the first match and 4 & 31 in the second match. Lindwall played in the second match.

 

[Coronis]

Lindsay Hassett's performance when one of Bill O'Reilly, Clarrie Grimmett, Ray Lindwall, Alec Bedser, Jim Laker, Hugh Tayfield, Hedley Verity, Alan Davidson or Fred Trueman was bowling for the opponent team (number of times he was dismissed by those bowlers in brackets):

131 innings; 6234 runs @ 53.74

vs Bill O'Reilly:
16 innings; 942 runs @ 58.88; 6 50's, 3 100's (4 times)
Hassett was famous for his ability to take on Bill O'Reilly and hit him over the top. He became the only player to score two centuries in a match against Bill O'Reilly. O'Reilly conceded that Hassett played his bowling better than any other batsman. O'Reilly once told his teammates: "Nobody has ever kept me out like that little bastard."

vs Ray Lindwall:
19 innings; 1095 runs @ 57.63; 3 50's, 4 100's (twice)

vs Clarrie Grimmett:
21 innings; 1009 runs @ 53.11; 5 50's, 3 100's (7 times)

vs Alec Bedser:
44 innings; 2083 runs @ 49.6; 9 50's, 7 100's (11 times)

vs Brian Statham:
6 innings; 420 runs @ 70; 0 50's, 2 100's (once)

vs Hugh Tayfield:
17 innings; 813 runs @ 47.82; 3 50's, 3 100's (3 times)

vs Jim Laker:
14 innings; 477 runs @ 36.69; 3 50's, 1 100's (once)

vs Hedley Verity:
11 innings; 364 @ 33.09; 3 50's, 0 100's (3 times)

vs Fred Trueman:
Only played one match against him. Scored 53 & 10 in two innings. Bedser and Laker were also bowling in this match.

vs Alan Davidson:
Played two matches against him. Scored 14 & 7 in the first match and 4 & 31 in the second match. Lindwall played in the second match.

My man

 

[ataraxia]

Lindsay Hassett's performance when one of Bill O'Reilly, Clarrie Grimmett, Ray Lindwall, Alec Bedser, Jim Laker, Hugh Tayfield, Hedley Verity, Alan Davidson or Fred Trueman was bowling for the opponent team (number of times he was dismissed by those bowlers in brackets):

131 innings; 6234 runs @ 53.74

vs Bill O'Reilly:
16 innings; 942 runs @ 58.88; 6 50's, 3 100's (4 times)
Hassett was famous for his ability to take on Bill O'Reilly and hit him over the top. He became the only player to score two centuries in a match against Bill O'Reilly. O'Reilly conceded that Hassett played his bowling better than any other batsman. O'Reilly once told his teammates: "Nobody has ever kept me out like that little bastard."

vs Ray Lindwall:
19 innings; 1095 runs @ 57.63; 3 50's, 4 100's (twice)

vs Clarrie Grimmett:
21 innings; 1009 runs @ 53.11; 5 50's, 3 100's (7 times)

vs Alec Bedser:
44 innings; 2083 runs @ 49.6; 9 50's, 7 100's (11 times)

vs Brian Statham:
6 innings; 420 runs @ 70; 0 50's, 2 100's (once)

vs Hugh Tayfield:
17 innings; 813 runs @ 47.82; 3 50's, 3 100's (3 times)

vs Jim Laker:
14 innings; 477 runs @ 36.69; 3 50's, 1 100's (once)

vs Hedley Verity:
11 innings; 364 @ 33.09; 3 50's, 0 100's (3 times)

vs Fred Trueman:
Only played one match against him. Scored 53 & 10 in two innings. Bedser and Laker were also bowling in this match.

vs Alan Davidson:
Played two matches against him. Scored 14 & 7 in the first match and 4 & 31 in the second match. Lindwall played in the second match.

Man I sure like it when my rating players very highly solely based on FC averages is validated like this. Bowes and now Hassett. Better than Larwood and McCabe respectively.

 

[the big bambino]

Lindsay Hassett's performance when one of Bill O'Reilly, Clarrie Grimmett, Ray Lindwall, Alec Bedser, Jim Laker, Hugh Tayfield, Hedley Verity, Alan Davidson or Fred Trueman was bowling for the opponent team (number of times he was dismissed by those bowlers in brackets):

131 innings; 6234 runs @ 53.74

vs Bill O'Reilly:
16 innings; 942 runs @ 58.88; 6 50's, 3 100's (4 times)
Hassett was famous for his ability to take on Bill O'Reilly and hit him over the top. He became the only player to score two centuries in a match against Bill O'Reilly. O'Reilly conceded that Hassett played his bowling better than any other batsman. O'Reilly once told his teammates: "Nobody has ever kept me out like that little bastard."

vs Ray Lindwall:
19 innings; 1095 runs @ 57.63; 3 50's, 4 100's (twice)

vs Clarrie Grimmett:
21 innings; 1009 runs @ 53.11; 5 50's, 3 100's (7 times)

vs Alec Bedser:
44 innings; 2083 runs @ 49.6; 9 50's, 7 100's (11 times)

vs Brian Statham:
6 innings; 420 runs @ 70; 0 50's, 2 100's (once)

vs Hugh Tayfield:
17 innings; 813 runs @ 47.82; 3 50's, 3 100's (3 times)

vs Jim Laker:
14 innings; 477 runs @ 36.69; 3 50's, 1 100's (once)

vs Hedley Verity:
11 innings; 364 @ 33.09; 3 50's, 0 100's (3 times)

vs Fred Trueman:
Only played one match against him. Scored 53 & 10 in two innings. Bedser and Laker were also bowling in this match.

vs Alan Davidson:
Played two matches against him. Scored 14 & 7 in the first match and 4 & 31 in the second match. Lindwall played in the second match.

Just don't know how you keep coming with these, great effort. Look at Hassett's record against the 2 great leg spinners, Tiger and Grum. Yet he struggled against Doug Wright, whom Hassett considered a terrific bowler. I think Wright got him 12 times in tests and was perhaps the main reason why Hassett's ave v Eng fell below 40. The others being Bedser and the seam friendly pitches of 50/51 and 53. For whatever reason Wright's crazy bouncing leg spin seemed to worry Australia's best player of that type of bowling and is one of cricket's little ironies.

 

[sayon basak]

Just don't know how you keep coming with these, great effort. Look at Hassett's record against the 2 great leg spinners, Tiger and Grum. Yet he struggled against Doug Wright, whom Hassett considered a terrific bowler. I think Wright got him 12 times in tests and was perhaps the main reason why Hassett's ave v Eng fell below 40. The others being Bedser and the seam friendly pitches of 50/51 and 53. For whatever reason Wright's crazy bouncing leg spin seemed to worry Australia's best player of that type of bowling and is one of cricket's little ironies.

Yeah, Doug Wright was a pretty unorthodox bowler. TG Evans reckons he was one of the most difficult bowlers to keep wicket to. Along with googly and leg spinner, he has a fast delivery in his armory, which TG Evans called, "The fastest ball in England". In 1950 the Don wrote, "He always seemed capable of producing an unplayable ball which completely shattered one’s defence, not by guile or deception, but by sheer skill". Plum Warner considered Wright to be "a great bowler who on his day can win a match on his own".

Consistency might have been his main issue. He could be hammered when length and direction failed him. His former teammate Colin Cowdrey would tell a story of asking Wright about the best over he ever bowled. He nominated one he bowled to Bradman at Lord’s, "Every ball came out of my hand the way I wanted and pitched where I wanted. I beat him twice. It went for sixteen".

 

[the big bambino]

Yeah, Doug Wright was a pretty unorthodox bowler. TG Evans reckons he was one of the most difficult bowlers to keep wicket to. Along with googly and leg spinner, he has a fast delivery in his armory, which TG Evans called, "The fastest ball in England". In 1950 the Don wrote, "He always seemed capable of producing an unplayable ball which completely shattered one’s defence, not by guile or deception, but by sheer skill". Plum Warner considered Wright to be "a great bowler who on his day can win a match on his own".

Consistency might have been his main issue. He could be hammered when length and direction failed him. His former teammate Colin Cowdrey would tell a story of asking Wright about the best over he ever bowled. He nominated one he bowled to Bradman at Lord’s, "Every ball came out of my hand the way I wanted and pitched where I wanted. I beat him twice. It went for sixteen".

The most inexplicable cricketer in the game's history. Such an incongruous discrepancy between his average and reputation. There are numbers of great players who thought him a magnificent bowler. O'Reilly said the Australian tourists thought him the best bowler in England. Woodfull, who saw him immediately after the war, thought him the best bowler England sent to Australia in the previous quarter century.

Yet that average ...

I think he was the unluckiest bowler. He debuted at a time when test pitches were perfect for batting. Then after the war still had to contend with that but was now also bowling against Bradman's invincibles. With only Bedser for support he bowled a large quota of overs. Given his inconsistency it wasn't ever going to be a role that suited him. When he finally got pitches that were more bowler friendly in 50/51 they favoured Bedser and the other seamers - even Freddy Brown bowled medium pace with effect. An unlucky bowler but I think you'd like him in your squad on tours to countries with hard wickets simply for his ability to break through on them.

 

[sayon basak]

Lindsay Hassett's stats when others in his team averaged less than 31:

161 innings; 8182 runs @ 54.18; 35 50's, 27 100's (including 5 double centuries)

This may not show how good he was on difficult wickets, but he definitely had some quality knocks when others failed. For example, he scored 122 & 122 against O'Reilly in a NSW vs Victoria match (O'Reilly took 5/78 & 3/79 in that match). The 2nd highest score in his team was 50 & 54. In the very next innings against O'Reilly, he scored 136 in 132 minutes, when the 2nd highest score was 35.