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Shubman Gill vs Babar Azam

Better Batsman

  • Shubman Gill

    Votes: 11 57.9%

  • Babar Azam

    Votes: 8 42.1%
  • Total voters
    19
M

ma1978

International Debutant
Coronis said:
lol that doesn’t mean anything, because he was still unavailable due to injuries, and would have been selected if available

No they don’t because

1) Unlike Bumrah, Lillee is known for long spells and a heavy bowling workload

2) A large part of his missed tests (24/47) come from 5 consecutive series where WSC players weren’t selected. Removing that gives him a perfectly fine 75%, despite you know, breaking his back in the 70’s.

As I said (but you probably ignored), that stat isn’t perfect - but some reasons for lower numbers for say, WSC players, Trueman etc. are pretty obvious for anyone to figure out.
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qualitative nonsense to justify your arguments
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

Hall of Fame Member
Coronis said:
lol that doesn’t mean anything, because he was still unavailable due to injuries, and would have been selected if available

No they don’t because

1) Unlike Bumrah, Lillee is known for long spells and a heavy bowling workload

2) A large part of his missed tests (24/47) come from 5 consecutive series where WSC players weren’t selected. Removing that gives him a perfectly fine 75%, despite you know, breaking his back in the 70’s.

As I said (but you probably ignored), that stat isn’t perfect - but some reasons for lower numbers for say, WSC players, Trueman etc. are pretty obvious for anyone to figure out.
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Actually he meant no, he wasn't unavailable for injuries till 2021 in Home Tests always. The management legit preferred Shami (76 @22.1) and Umesh (105 @25.88) as the pace duo there. Can be argued was to shield his workload, but it would be stupid and like saying Trueman was dropped so often for workload management. It was more of a case that he simply wasn't needed at Home. He debuted there in 2021, while he did away in 2018.
 
Johan

Johan

Hall of Fame Member
He is currently facing fitness issues and missed all of 2023 over injury no? Coronis is not completely wrong, maybe before 2022 he was fully fit.
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

Hall of Fame Member
Johan said:
He is currently facing fitness issues and missed all of 2023 over injury no? Coronis is not completely wrong, maybe before 2022 he was fully fit.
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Coronis isn't, but if there's a lot of context for Lillee and Trueman, there's decent amount for Bumrah as well, especially pre 2022. And since coming from that injury, he played both the games in SA, all the games to England at Home but one, rested in one dead rubber to NZ and played all the games in Australia. Most of us all thinks he could have played 4 here as well, but the management is overly cautious. He legit missed 3 Tests since coming back till now while playing 14.
 
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Coronis

Coronis

Hall of Fame Member
Johan said:
He is currently facing fitness issues and missed all of 2023 over injury no? Coronis is not completely wrong, maybe before 2022 he was fully fit.
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Yet other people who bring it up don’t get attacked lol
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

Hall of Fame Member
Coronis said:
Yet other people who bring it up don’t get attacked lol
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Bro never got attacked if he thinks we "attacked" him here.
And like, we all know and most of us acknowledge that Bumrah is relatively fragile compared to other Top class pacers. The jarring part is over the last few days it seems the only thing you have to say about him, and you say so almost every time you can when he is discussed. It still won't be much of an issue, if you didn't do so in the most bratty, condescending way humanely possible.
 
honestbharani

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
capt_Luffy said:
Bro never got attacked if he thinks we "attacked" him here.
And like, we all know and most of us acknowledge that Bumrah is relatively fragile compared to other Top class pacers. The jarring part is over the last few days it seems the only thing you have to say about him, and you say so almost every time you can when he is discussed. It still won't be much of an issue, if you didn't do so in the most bratty, condescending way humanely possible.
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saltonis?
 
Coronis

Coronis

Hall of Fame Member
honestbharani said:
saltonis?
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I’m actually a fan but some can’t take legit criticism of their faves

capt_Luffy said:
Bro never got attacked if he thinks we "attacked" him here.
And like, we all know and most of us acknowledge that Bumrah is relatively fragile compared to other Top class pacers. The jarring part is over the last few days it seems the only thing you have to say about him, and you say so almost every time you can when he is discussed. It still won't be much of an issue, if you didn't do so in the most bratty, condescending way humanely possible.
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I’ve seen multiple others post about his fragility recently and let I’m the only one who gets push back lol.

dw I have something else to say about him.

0 10’fers
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

Hall of Fame Member
Coronis said:
I’m actually a fan but some can’t take criticism.



I’ve seen multiple others post about his fragility recently and let I’m the only one who gets push back lol.

dw I have something else to say about him.

0 10’fers
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You saying 0 10-fers (now that especially Akashdeep got one) is actually kinda funny. This one ain't. As I already said, it's not as much as what you say but also how say it, let alone how often. It's a valid critic, but nowadays it seems that's all you have to say about him and you repeat yourself like a broken taperecorder, and again, in a dickish way. It's jarring. It's like when Kyear jumps in every game thread every time he gets a notification that someone dropped a catch, talks about how important slip and keeping is, and does absolutely nothing else there.
 
Coronis

Coronis

Hall of Fame Member
capt_Luffy said:
You saying 0 10-fers (now that especially Akashdeep got one) is actually kinda funny. This one ain't. As I already said, it's not as much as what you say but also how say it, let alone how often. It's a valid critic, but nowadays it seems that's all you have to say about him and you repeat yourself like a broken taperecorder, and again, in a dickish way. It's jarring. It's like when Kyear jumps in every game thread every time he gets a notification that someone dropped a catch, talks about how important slip and keeping is, and does absolutely nothing else there.
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ur just mad ur best player is a fragile bum who can’t take 2 big hauls in a single match
 
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