Seamers with 50+ wickets @ sub-25 average

[rtramdas]

Last 5 years of his career his wickets cast 54 runs each. And averaged 20 with the bat.

If he had retired before then he'd be in everyone's ATG sides

Just can't agree with this line of thinking.This is because longevity itself is a criteria for 'greatness ' , i suppose . For instance i rate some one like Sachin sooo better when compared to Greg Chappel. Both averaged almost same in their career but Sachin maintained that in 329 inns where as Chappel did it in only 151 inns .Yes... Chappel deserves extra points in this one-one comparison because of him having played in a bit more tougher era for batting. But still to maintain the average in more than twice the number of inns is a huge gap in my esteem.

To put things in perspective Kohli was averaging almost 72 in NZL before his last series .But his average fell to a mere 36 by 1 series . What not he played only 4 inns in NZL last time. Imagine him having to play 6 -10 inns instead of this mere 4 in that sort of 'extreme pressure to maintain his own high standards'.....That is how tough it is to maintain high standards from time to time.So longevity is a huge factor which fans under estimate a lot when evaluating players

 

[TheJediBrah]

Just can't agree with this line of thinking.This is because longevity itself is a criteria for 'greatness ' , i suppose . For instance i rate some one like Sachin sooo better when compared to Greg Chappel. Both averaged almost same in their career but Sachin maintained that in 329 inns where as Chappel did it in only 151 inns .Yes... Chappel deserves extra points in this one-one comparison because of him having played in a bit more tougher era for batting. But still to maintain the average in more than twice the number of inns is a huge gap in my esteem.

To put things in perspective Kohli was averaging almost 72 in NZL before his last series .But his average fell to a mere 36 by 1 series . What not he played only 4 inns in NZL last time. Imagine him having to play 6 -10 inns instead of this mere 4 in that sort of 'extreme pressure to maintain his own high standards'.....That is how tough it is to maintain high standards from time to time.So longevity is a huge factor which fans under estimate a lot when evaluating players

That's not really what I was saying. It was just an imaginary hypothetical.

 

[ankitj]

Unsurprisingly, there are plenty of bowlers who dropped off the list. This gives (barring mistakes) their best average at 50+ wickets:
*Rodney Hogg: 51 @ 15.37
*Ian Botham: 64 @ 16.55
*Jason Gillespie: 68 @ 20.22
*Wes Hall: 60 @ 20.47
Max Walker: 54 @ 20.52
*Andy Roberts: 96 @ 21.27
*Heath Streak: 61 @ 21.49
Terry Alderman: 50 @ 21.66
Brett Lee: 50 @ 21.96
Mike Hendrick: 72 @ 22.62
*Josh Hazlewood: 60 @ 22.65
Geoff Lawson: 51 @ 22.92
Charlie Griffith: 50 @ 23.08
*Steve Harmison: 63 @ 23.25
Gary Gilmour: 52 @ 23.27
*Shoaib Akhtar: 118 @ 23.42
*Bob Willis: 164 @ 23.45
Geoff Arnold: 72 @ 23.50
Charminda Vaas: 52 @ 23.54
John Lever: 51 @ 23.61
Jack Gregory: 57 @ 23.72
Damien Fleming: 70 @ 23.77
Bill Voce: 83 @ 23.90
Bruce Taylor: 89 @ 24.07
*Jeff Thomson: 88 @ 24.44
Dominic Cork: 51 @ 24.45
Winston Benjamin: 51 @ 24.53
Angus Fraser: 69 @ 24.72
Len Pascoe: 60 @ 24.83

Starred bowlers would at some point have qualified for 100+ wickets at <25. Botham, Willis and Gillespie all had 200+ wickets at <25 (Willis had 300).

Still no more Indians

 

[honestbharani]

Instead, Botham's career has ended up being the best argument for why longevity matters.

 

[honestbharani]

Still no more Indians

The days of Prabhakar and Kapil Dev bowling for 10 overs and then standing in slip and midwicket to spinners for the rest of the day come to mind.

 

[GoodAreasShane]

Just noticed Duanne Olivier only narrowly misses out here. 48 wickets at 19.25 before he decided to throw his lot in with Yorkehire.

Frankly he seems to have regressed somewhat as a bowler since then. Banging it in halfway down not exactly the smartest modus operandi on your typical county turnip field of a pitch

 

[Bahnz]

Just noticed Duanne Olivier only narrowly misses out here. 48 wickets at 19.25 before he decided to throw his lot in with Yorkehire.

Frankly he seems to have regressed somewhat as a bowler since then. Banging it in halfway down not exactly the smartest modus operandi on your typical county turnip field of a pitch

Yeah, Wagner's got a pretty dreadful record in county cricket as well iirc, averaging 40 or there abouts for Lancashire. Wagner's somebody who could conceivably nose his way into this list if he's able to maintain his post-2015 record for another couple of years, though I suspect his dire bowling in his first few test matches will cost him in the end.

 

[_00_deathscar]

Imagine had Botham retired around 85

• Batting average of 36-37
• Close to 250 wickets around 23
• Brilliant series in India

Worthy resume for the GOAT all rounder

Nice of you to describe Jadeja

 

[h_hurricane]

And Botham the ashes hero had already lost 2 ashes series against Australia by 1985. Jadeja has won India every single series he played against Aussies.

 

[h_hurricane]

Unsurprisingly, there are plenty of bowlers who dropped off the list. This gives (barring mistakes) their best average at 50+ wickets:
*Rodney Hogg: 51 @ 15.37
*Ian Botham: 64 @ 16.55
*Jason Gillespie: 68 @ 20.22
*Wes Hall: 60 @ 20.47
Max Walker: 54 @ 20.52
*Andy Roberts: 96 @ 21.27
*Heath Streak: 61 @ 21.49
Terry Alderman: 50 @ 21.66
Brett Lee: 50 @ 21.96
Mike Hendrick: 72 @ 22.62
*Josh Hazlewood: 60 @ 22.65
Geoff Lawson: 51 @ 22.92
Charlie Griffith: 50 @ 23.08
*Steve Harmison: 63 @ 23.25
Gary Gilmour: 52 @ 23.27
*Shoaib Akhtar: 118 @ 23.42
*Bob Willis: 164 @ 23.45
Geoff Arnold: 72 @ 23.50
Charminda Vaas: 52 @ 23.54
John Lever: 51 @ 23.61
Jack Gregory: 57 @ 23.72
Damien Fleming: 70 @ 23.77
Bill Voce: 83 @ 23.90
Bruce Taylor: 89 @ 24.07
*Jeff Thomson: 88 @ 24.44
Dominic Cork: 51 @ 24.45
Winston Benjamin: 51 @ 24.53
Angus Fraser: 69 @ 24.72
Len Pascoe: 60 @ 24.83

Starred bowlers would at some point have qualified for 100+ wickets at <25. Botham, Willis and Gillespie all had 200+ wickets at <25 (Willis had 300).

Vaas's name is long enough. The last thing he needs is another character in it

 

[stephen]

Vaas's name is long enough. The last thing he needs is another character in it

I've seen names shorter than WPUJC.

 

[AndrewB]

Vaas's name is long enough. The last thing he needs is another character in it

I’ve often made that mistake. Think I’m confusing him with the Pokemon.

 

[Magrat Garlick]

I’ve often made that mistake. Think I’m confusing him with the Pokemon.

what, Chameera?

 

[Dendarii]

Just noticed Duanne Olivier only narrowly misses out here. 48 wickets at 19.25 before he decided to throw his lot in with Yorkehire.

Frankly he seems to have regressed somewhat as a bowler since then. Banging it in halfway down not exactly the smartest modus operandi on your typical county turnip field of a pitch

Olivier got most of his wickets as a result of pitches which were overly favourable to quick bowling. And having only played two matches outside of South Africa makes him very much an HTB.

 

[Slifer]

what, Chameera?

Umm Charmander....duh !!!

 

[TheJediBrah]

I thought you meant Nosepass