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[Thala_0710]

That is, indeed, extremely outlandish.

Not really, no

 

[Thala_0710]

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Even on CW, Worrell ranked 3-4 spots higher than Kanhai in the 2024 poll

They have Chanders over Gooch as well btw

 

[Johan]

Not really, no

I mean, you're allowed to have whatever opinion you want, I'm not Vladmir Johan to suppress that, but Yeah I don't hold Kanhai in the same class as those two, whom I have in Barrington tier.

 

[Thala_0710]

I mean, you're allowed to have whatever opinion you want, I'm not Vladmir Johan to suppress that, but Yeah I don't hold Kanhai in the same class as those two, whom I have in Barrington tier.

I have all 3 below that tier

 

[Johan]

They have Chanders over Gooch as well btw

it's not me pretending your opinion is outlandish

 

[Al Salvador]

I’d say Miller over Roberts would be a pretty minority opinion here and Roberts is at the bottom so that makes sense

I will have Miller above broad, philander, botham, Gillespie, hazlewood, larwood, willis shoaib quite easily. Miller as a bowler in general is very underrated in cricket circle

 

[Johan]

I have all 3 below that tier

I mean, okay, you'll find Weekes and Walcott are generally rated in the Barrington tier though

 

[Thala_0710]

I will have Miller above broad, philander, botham, Gillespie, hazlewood, larwood, willis shoaib quite easily. Miller as a bowler in general is very underrated in cricket circle

Miller's relatively low WPM in both test and FC cricket is an issue I feel as to why he doesn't get rated higher

 

[Al Salvador]

He was a very effective bowler, averages 22 and actually bowled lot of overs. His wpm is low because he bowled in stack deep line up. Wpm is problem against bowlers who average sub 23 and are equal/better on quality, not those who are neither qualitatively better and nor have close averages.

 

[Thala_0710]

Wpm is problem against bowlers who average sub 23 and are equal/better on quality, not those who are neither qualitatively better and nor have close averages.

How do you decide quality though. Is Miller definitely better on quality than a Hazlewood or Gillespie?

 

[Johan]

How do you decide quality though. Is Miller definitely better on quality than a Hazlewood or Gillespie?

Yes

 

[Thala_0710]

Yes

I would say so too, but how do you conclude that

 

[Thala_0710]

By just bowling average, Philander and Miller are equal so there needs to be something more

 

[Johan]

I would say so too, but how do you conclude that

Miller's away record is well better than Haze, Philander is not 1/10 of Miller on flat pitches, he's a condition specialist

 

[kyear2]

Fielding is a tertiary skill.

It is not even a secondary skill.

If we are picking cricketers based on secondary and tertiary skill; then Jacques Kallis should be picked ahead of Sachin Tendulkar or Viv Richards.

Why is slip fielding not a secondary skill? These are the semantics I was speaking of when some claimed I was making it up.

It's very much a specialist position, even if a neglected, and here, disparaged one. Players have been selected purely for their ability to field in the cordon. And why? Because if it doesn't function, the team can't win.

And Viv Richards is an ATG slip btw. One of the 3 best 3rd slip fielders I've ever seen.

 

[subshakerz]

It's very much a specialist position, even if a neglected, and here, disparaged one.

Come off it, dude.

 

[DrWolverine]

Players have been selected purely for their ability to field in the cordon.

Really?

 

[subshakerz]

Really?

Teams pick their players based on specialists skills and fielders find themselves in these positions over time.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Who even allows such stuff to get published, where Bumrah at 1 and Hadlee at 16 aren't even the biggest howlers

Hadlee at 16 arguably is

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

No Muralitharan.

No HADLEE and Gavaskar.