Saeed Anwar vs Sourav Ganguly

[MasterBlaster24]

I give SR a large weight in limited overs, but to even get to that you got to score , SR otherwise is uselss.

For Anwar, it's not about SR or avg, it's pretty much him not having any score against top 2 bowling sides and him not having to face 3rd best bowling side. He has crossed 50 only once in 50+ innings agaisnt SA/Aus. You are not going to have any impact if you do that. Jaya has scored 50+ 12 times. Not the same situation.

91 ODI's - Jaya has 12+ scores of 50 or higher against SA/Aus
54 ODI - Anwar has 1 score of 50 or higher against SA/Aus

Both have avg of near 20, but one had impact due to scoring runs and other had virtually no impact in a big sample size against two best bowling sides and also did not face the third best bowling side of his time.

I did not pay attention to this earlier but after seeing it in this thread, I would take away lots of points from Anwar.

Lol, where did I say Anwar > Jayasuriya as an ODI batsman? You’re giving answers to things I never even said. If you're going with the "average against X oppositions" argument, then why did you vote for Ganguly ahead of Sangakkara in the other thread, when the latter scored more consistently against Australia and South Africa? That’s clearly a double standard, isn’t it?

You said this, by the way: "91 ODIs – Jayasuriya has 12 scores of 50 or more against SA/AUS." Now I’ll add a bit more: he averaged just 23 against those two oppositions, which means he failed more often.

Let’s just compare that with Sangakkara, using your logic:
In 90 ODIs, Sanga had 29 scores of 50 or more against SA/AUS.
He also averaged 44 against those two teams, which means he performed more consistently.

If we’re using the same logic, compared to Sanga, Jayasuriya comes off as a proper fraud in ODIs, doesn’t he?

That’s the last thing I wanted to hear from you, and I’m done with this discussion, really.

Now, coming back to the main topic, which is Ganguly vs Anwar, as I said earlier, I can counter the “average vs Aus/SA” argument by pointing out that Ganguly averaged just 25 in World Cups against top teams. I really don’t want to get into this kind of checklist-style analysis, but since you’re persisting with it, I have no choice but to do the same.

Switch the teams of both batters. As I said earlier, Pakistan was more dependent on Anwar. Just look at the stat I posted earlier that shows how poorly other Pakistani batters performed in World Cups during Anwar’s era. He didn’t have the kind of batting support Ganguly had.

As I said before, I have nothing against Ganguly. He was also an excellent ODI batter. I give him credit for that.

But your checklist-style nonsense analysis ends with this bizarre ranking:
Sanga >>> Jayasuriya, Anwar, and Ganguly by a landslide as an ODI batter. That just doesn’t hold up.

 

[Randomfan]

Lol, where did I say Anwar > Jayasuriya as an ODI batsman? You’re giving answers to things I never even said.

And where did you read that in my answer? You are reading something into comments which is not mentioned anywhere.

Pointing out flaws can be seen with other strong points of any player. It's not unidirectional.

Anwar simply did not score anything against two best teams and then some one pointed out how about WI in his first half. When I checked, Anwar did not score anything against WI in first half as well. So it counts as negative.

It hardly means that any batsman who scored something against good teams goes above Anwar. Players are judged based on many factors including runs agasint weakr teams. Yes performing in WC is also a factor and it should be discussed. How much weight individual fans give to every factor is upto them but ignoring WC performance or ignoring lack of performance agaisnt good teams does not make any sense to me.

Nothing wrong in pointing out strong points and weak points. It's not a checklist., it;s common sense to talk about various scenarios. After considering everything you can come to a different conslusion than some one else.

 

[Silver Silva]

Best Asian ODI XI of the 90's

1.Sachin Tendulkar
2.Sanath Jayasuriya
3.Sourav Ganguly
4.Mohammad Azharuddin
5.Aravinda De Silva
6.Arjuna Ranatunga (C)
7.Moin Khan (WK)
8.Wasim Akram
9.Saqlain Mushtaq
10.Javigal Srinath
11.Waqar Younis

 

[ankitj]

Lol, where did I say Anwar > Jayasuriya as an ODI batsman? You’re giving answers to things I never even said. If you're going with the "average against X oppositions" argument, then why did you vote for Ganguly ahead of Sangakkara in the other thread, when the latter scored more consistently against Australia and South Africa? That’s clearly a double standard, isn’t it?

You said this, by the way: "91 ODIs – Jayasuriya has 12 scores of 50 or more against SA/AUS." Now I’ll add a bit more: he averaged just 23 against those two oppositions, which means he failed more often.

Let’s just compare that with Sangakkara, using your logic:
In 90 ODIs, Sanga had 29 scores of 50 or more against SA/AUS.
He also averaged 44 against those two teams, which means he performed more consistently.

If we’re using the same logic, compared to Sanga, Jayasuriya comes off as a proper fraud in ODIs, doesn’t he?

That’s the last thing I wanted to hear from you, and I’m done with this discussion, really.

Now, coming back to the main topic, which is Ganguly vs Anwar, as I said earlier, I can counter the “average vs Aus/SA” argument by pointing out that Ganguly averaged just 25 in World Cups against top teams. I really don’t want to get into this kind of checklist-style analysis, but since you’re persisting with it, I have no choice but to do the same.

Switch the teams of both batters. As I said earlier, Pakistan was more dependent on Anwar. Just look at the stat I posted earlier that shows how poorly other Pakistani batters performed in World Cups during Anwar’s era. He didn’t have the kind of batting support Ganguly had.

As I said before, I have nothing against Ganguly. He was also an excellent ODI batter. I give him credit for that.

But your checklist-style nonsense analysis ends with this bizarre ranking:
Sanga >>> Jayasuriya, Anwar, and Ganguly by a landslide as an ODI batter. That just doesn’t hold up.

Calm down champion. It's a factor that has been highlighted. I don't think anyone really knew this oddity in Anwar's career. You can just acknowledge this as a negative and still rank Anwar over Ganguly for other reasons. No one'sn agenda here is to change your vote